Who has the better boxing future? Khan or Ortiz?

Both are prospects at 140. Both have had setback losses to their career, both have major weaknesses, Khan for his chin, Ortiz for his perceived lack of heart.

I go with Khan because he has a shrewd promoter in Warren who maneuvers him to have a title fight at 140 when Khan hasn't done anything to merit that opportunity. I can see Khan getting a decision against Kotelnik, vacates the belt at 140 to avoid the dangerous opponents, has a massive fight with Hatton and could possibly beat him, he gets another washed up good fighter on his resume and will continue to scam the general British public out of their money.

Ortiz on the other hand was happy go lucky with his attitude after the Maidana fight and was pissing off Oscar who is his promoter. If Oscar was a more shrewd promoter he would have gotten Ortiz a title fight with Kotelnik before this Maidana fight.

What do you thinkj?

ad go with khan hes got a better team behind him and is the better boxer imo a think in the next 2 or 3 years he could be top class but if he fights hatton soon he loses and bad.

khan .... he seems more protected by his promoters

Khan's shockingly poor punch resistance against Ortiz quite shocking lack of heart/bottle?

I'd say neither has a great future.. but Khan will certainly try to achieve more than Ortiz will.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Khan's shockingly poor punch resistance against Ortiz quite shocking lack of heart/bottle?

I'd say neither has a great future.. but Khan will certainly try to achieve more than Ortiz will.

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Yeah tough one; but I'll take Khan who at least didn't all but quit on the spot after getting sparked. I've watched the Ortiz fiasco several times and you can't really up about a guy who seemingly all but said "I don't think I like getting punched this much, I quit". Khan might get ktfo alot but if managed right he could make a career; Ortiz can't make a career if he jets out the sport;D

Khan. I've heard Roach say he's targeting Morales as Khan's next opponent after Kotelnik. Khan is going to be protected, I imagine Golden Boy will throw Ortiz in the deep end again and hope he's learnt to swim this time.

I know I'm alone in this, but I feel they both have pretty good futures. If Khan can beat Kotelnik, then I'd go with him

You can fix heart, but you can't fix a chin.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Steelhammer

You can fix heart, but you can't fix a chin.

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a wouldnt agree with that a mean if ur a shit bag ull always be 1 imo but cant u toughen ur neck muscles up with weights witch would mean ur head wouldnt snap bak as much getting punch there for less chance of getting ko plus sparring with harder hitters would all help the chin

Wow I didn't know that Morales is a possible opponent for Khan.

What I see in Khans future is that he outpoints Kotelnik for the WBA belt, fights Morales at 140 then fights Hatton late in 2010 at which time Ricky will be 32 and even worse than right now, possibly fights Pacman in '12 when Pacman is 34 and doesn't have the reflexes or speed anymore and maybe a future fight with Mayweather in '13 when Floyd will be 36 and needs money and doesn't have the speed and reflexes anymore. Then Khan will pronounce that he beat so many top legends and will be known as one of the all time greats.

Khan has a bright future indeed, but he has to get past Kotlenick, which I think he should be able to. Warren is a shrewd man.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Khan. I've heard Roach say he's targeting Morales as Khan's next opponent after Kotelnik. Khan is going to be protected, I imagine Golden Boy will throw Ortiz in the deep end again and hope he's learnt to swim this time.

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Has anyone seen how big Morales is. That fight would be a joke. He's bigger than Hatton gets between fights and thats sayin somethin. Roach can be a very clever matchmaker i think.

I say that ortiz will have a bigger future. He's a good fighter and just needs to learn that he can't just blast everybody out of site. He needs a confidence boost IMO, help getting motivated, and a corner that don't suggest quitting or stopping the fight at the first opportunity.

If people with decent and upwards power land on Kahn, he's out of there no sweat man.

Ortiz should have taken his time with Maidana and he would have been fine i think. To be honest, I've just watched the Ortiz fight about 2 hours ago, inbetween the round before he quits his corner mention the idea of stoppin the fight two, poss three times. His trainer says something like "your not holdin your hands up, i'll stop the fight, do you want me to stop the fight?" Totally wrong pep talk or what, i mean, thats where the seed was sown for him to quit, bad corner work IMO, what were they thinkin atall.

Ortiz did the smart thing. He couldn't see out of either eye. He young and he'll live to fight another day. Khan would have never gotten from the fight hand Ortiz took in the first.

Ortiz

Heart is an illusion that boxing fans use as a reason to praise or diss a fighter. If a fighter quits on his stool he has no heart yet then they go on to have a war its all forgotten.

Vitali was called heartless, Wladimer was called heartless and unable to bend to pressure. All was forgotten when Vitali went tooth and nail with Lennox Lewis.

I agree with Ortiz that he shouldnt be taking punches like that, he is a boxer puncher, not a slugger, he has the boxing skills to not be dragged into wars like that. I think thats what he meant and i completely agree

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Originally Posted by Dr. Steelhammer

You can fix heart, but you can't fix a chin.

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How can you fix heart ?