How good/great could he have been had he not committed that heinous crime & ruined his career?
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How good/great could he have been had he not committed that heinous crime & ruined his career?
Honestly,its not like he was deprived and had his chances taken from him.He was right on the cusp receiving high praise and good exposure and choose to throw it all away.....twice.Have seen him a few times when he was coming up and was strong with some good hooking...almost a methodical fierceness about him but just don't think he would have hung with Hearns or Leonard....and the sight of Bonsante beating the ever loving crap out of him and making him quit on his stool was great.He made his 3 hots and a cot...now he's sleeping in it.
Ayala was a douche bag, who couldn't control himself. Considering that, in the ring he would have got slaughtered by Hearns, Leonard etc. etc.
I hope he gets raped at least weekly in prison.
He was good but not as good, as the hype suggests. I see him badly hurt and dropped by a journeyman Mario Maldonado. He did show good recovery powers in that fight, but that also showed he was very beatable. To me he just seemed like a good pressure fighter, with good power.
But thats about it he wasn't anything special IMO, he did have a good Amateur background so i heard. I've even heard he gave Pipino Cuevas, a bit of a lesson in sparring when he was only 14 years old. But to me he seems to be more a myth.
I could see Ayala doing to Leonard what Duran did to him. It was all there for Ayala and he blew it. I think he would of massacred Davey MooreQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I saw him fight when he was young. Leonard would have beat the crap out of him. Leonard lost to Duran because he fought the wrong fight the first time and Duran fought almost to perfection with his fight plan. Leonard tried to out-macho the toughest guy out there and you don't beat a man at his own game. He didn't make the same mistake twice in the rematch. I'd see Leonard treating Tony the same way if they had fought, outslicking Ayala, making him miss and look foolish. Frankly they were talking of a Duran fight at one point and if the fight had taken place in 1983, Tony would have been busted up pretty bad by that version of Duran. Tony may have been tough but you are a lot more tougher being willing to stand up to Hagler for 15 rounds. Of course I think that took a lot out of him and, well Hearns did what Hagler couldn't next time out. But going by the original projection of an early to mid 1983 showdown with Duran, it would have been a hard leason for Tony to learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI could see Ayala doing to Leonard what Duran did to him. It was all there for Ayala and he blew it. I think he would of massacred Davey MooreQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Ouch!!Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
I saw him fight many times and thought his only negative was his stability factor. There are films of him sparring with Cuevas and he looked to have great skills at such a young age. My thinking is that had he been brought along carefully, he would have been a champion in an era of great champions. He was that GOOD!
As for the other, this is about boxing so I'll not comment.
Yeah, I'd heard he was really something else coming up. I agree with Lucier about him fight Ray too. Seems like he would have been made to order for Hearns as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by holmcall
Too bad for him (and more so his victims) he basically threw his life away.