Just a thought about Cotto's career.
I was just thinking about this, thought I'd post a thread to see if anyone could come up with another example. I remember when I first joined this place way back(I think 2005) Cotto was still basically a prospect, with huge doubts about how far he could make it etc. Obviously some people on here had been following him for several years before I got a chance to watch him fight, I think Corley was the first opponent I saw him in with. Anyways, since then we've seen him become a bonaified world champion and p4p fighter, beating Faglianni, Quintana, Judah, MOsley, and Clottey. Having now suffered two brutal beatings from that talentless blockhead and Manny Pacquiao, it's safe to say he is entirely damaged goods, at least I reckon it is. My question is basically, in a similar time frame, have we witnessed anything close to the meteoric rise and fall of another fighter? In the last six or seven years, name anyone who comes close.
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I should have said more specifically, I'm trying to think of a fighter we have watched improve so vastly, and then start to lose a step or two. So don't say Hatton, who was basically as good as he was ever going to get when he was still relatively obscure on the world stage.
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How about Pavlik?
Pulls off upset win against Miranda, gets shot at lineal middleweight champ. Mashes up Taylor to become a "star" and P4P top 10 rated. Backs up win.
Starts BIG favourite over old Hopkins. Gets virtually humiliated.
Becomes a drunk.
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How about Pavlik?
Pulls off upset win against Miranda, gets shot at lineal middleweight champ. Mashes up Taylor to become a "star" and P4P top 10 rated. Backs up win.
Starts BIG favourite over old Hopkins. Gets virtually humiliated.
Becomes a drunk.
Wow, don't know how Pavlik slipped me, good one. He is different from Cotto though to me, in that we haven't actually watched him develop as a fighter really. He is what he is imo, and just had a couple of good opponents to showcase this. With Cotto, watching him against Corley and Torres you would never have thought that he'd be the fighter he was against Quintana only a year or so after, and go on to beat up Judah and Mosley. He actually became a much better fighter before it was beaten out of him. Pavlik might just have been a one trick pony that was exposed.
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I don't think Cotto is what he was before Margarito.
Margarito damaged his confidence.
Not taking anything away from Manny though, Cotto is still a very good fighter.
Pacquiao would of beat Cotto pre Margarito also.
Pacquiao's speed and workrate would have always been too much for Cotto.
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p4pking
I was just thinking about this, thought I'd post a thread to see if anyone could come up with another example. I remember when I first joined this place way back(I think 2005) Cotto was still basically a prospect, with huge doubts about how far he could make it etc. Obviously some people on here had been following him for several years before I got a chance to watch him fight, I think Corley was the first opponent I saw him in with. Anyways, since then we've seen him become a bonaified world champion and p4p fighter, beating Faglianni, Quintana, Judah, MOsley, and Clottey. Having now suffered two brutal beatings from that talentless blockhead and Manny Pacquiao, it's safe to say he is entirely damaged goods, at least I reckon it is. My question is basically, in a similar time frame, have we witnessed anything close to the meteoric rise and fall of another fighter? In the last six or seven years, name anyone who comes close.
Fernando Vargas ?
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p4pking
I was just thinking about this, thought I'd post a thread to see if anyone could come up with another example. I remember when I first joined this place way back(I think 2005) Cotto was still basically a prospect, with huge doubts about how far he could make it etc. Obviously some people on here had been following him for several years before I got a chance to watch him fight, I think Corley was the first opponent I saw him in with. Anyways, since then we've seen him become a bonaified world champion and p4p fighter, beating Faglianni, Quintana, Judah, MOsley, and Clottey. Having now suffered two brutal beatings from that talentless blockhead and Manny Pacquiao, it's safe to say he is entirely damaged goods, at least I reckon it is. My question is basically, in a similar time frame, have we witnessed anything close to the meteoric rise and fall of another fighter? In the last six or seven years, name anyone who comes close.
There's no fighter from the past 6-7 years that I can really compare Cotto's career with, he's unique in a lot of ways. Unlike most up coming up prospects Cotto looked beatable from early on... he would get hurt, outboxed for a few rounds here and there, but over that stretch up until Margarito, and more so last weekend, he always found a way to win. For a lot of that time he looked like a very beatable fighter, but always proved to be unbeatable.
Im in the same boat as you, It's funny, I realized I haven't missed watching a Cotto fight live ever since Malignaggi, and that's a lot more consistency then i've shown in most aspects of life over that time period.It must have been Danny_G's presence here back in the day and his non stop rambling about Cotto that got me into him. And it's also funny that a lot of those fights I would pick against Cotto to win.
Ironically, i thought Cotto was putting together one of the most impressive fights I have seen in his career against Pacquiao, but it's hard to say where his career will go from here
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I agree with Fernando Vargas, The fight with Trinidad ruined him. Vargas was pretty impressive beating Ike Quartey right before but was never the same after Tito destroyed him.
What about the Lone Star Cobra? Donald Curry was close to the top of the P-4-P status and possibly a future fight with Hagler before he lost on a cut to Honeyghan? Never seem like he took a beating or anything in that fight but was no where near the same fighter after.
