My random thoughts...

Instead of creating several threads I just thought I'd cram this into 1...

Just gonna post some random things on here feel free to comment or add your own if you like. Keep in mind I've not really been following boxing to the core for some months now so I might have missed injuries and stuff like that...


Where you at?/What happened?

DPDL - Argueably the best S. Bantam at one point. Multiple defenses and the most if not 1 of the most active/busy champs in past years. Since the lost to JML have yet to even make a headline even after his win over Roinet.

Peter Quillin - Seriously, WTF happened to this kid. Not a single fight in 2009. This kid showed so much potential and talent by now I thought he'd be a top contender possibly challenging for a title.

Jesus Gonzalez - So much talk about him and nothing. Had/has the tools to go far, not sure now with such a long lay off. Got a feeling something went wrong. 1 fight in 08 and 0 fights in 09.

Joel Julio - He loses back to back and digs up a 6 rd. UD fight. Really? That's it just a 6 rounder?

Ricardo Torres - After the "shady" loss to Holt in 08, Torres fought just once in 2009. That's 2 fights in 2 yrs. what a waste certainly not the most talented but what a treat he is to see fight.

Rock Allen - What ever happened to him. Anyone got the slightest clue?

Wladimir Sidorenko - At least Joel Julio had the decency to fight a 6 rounder. You on the other hand what, not even a 4 rounder.

Joseph Agbeko - So let me get this straight you brilliantly beat Vic and outclass him only to lose in the next fight to a unknown name to most people? (Not raggin on Yhonny by any means if you run a search on his name you'll see I predicted he'd beat Mabuza and I had also listed him as top prospect to follow had a chance to see fight live in 06 and in 08 twice)

Florantes Condes - From little Pacquiao to little nothing. A single bout in 09 where you we're outboxed by an obscure boxer and lost a bid at a title shot. Not even an "exhibition" bout?



Remember these names, I expect big things from them in 2010.
For some title shots for others just exposure.
(I wont re-hash the Erislandys or the McEwans or Brooks or Vanes etc. etc.)

Hernan Marquez - A prospect who picked up some recognition in closed circuits. But I think 2010 will be the year he steps into the bright light. Needs polishing defensively.

Daud Yordan - I think he would have beaten Guerrero and I think Guerrero took the easy way out. The 1st time I saw Daud was in 07 and I felt he still needed to improve vastly. After seeing him again in 08 and and 09 he's def improved and I think that the fact that his last name is Yordan (Jordan) makes him special and 1 of a kind.

Dmitry Pirog - Been following him since his fight vs. Alaggio and I'm really impressed with what I see would like to see more composure and selective punching can be a bit wild at times.

Cesar Ceda Jr - Kids looks to have a bright future. Tall and lanky for the division like the equivilance of Caballero to his division as far as size goes. Talent wise very fluid, top caliber hand speed and well rounded.

Grzegorz Proksa - Saw this kids debut and was impressed kept my eye on him and wound up watching him fight live on the undercard of JLC-Corrales 1. They don't call this kid Super G for nothing, lighting fast. Needs to settle down a bit.



Have you seen him?

Cesar Rene Cuenca - Being toutted as possibly the "finest" boxer in a long time I read in a Argentine website. Nationalism or the truth? He's got 36 wins 0 loses with only 1 win by KO to his name. I can't find videos on him.

Alexander Bakhtin - Have read really good things about him. But again can't find any video on him. A good boxer with lots of good qualities. His record 23 wins 0 loses with 10 KO's.



Farewell...

Brahim Asloum really talented boxer, too bad he had the injuries plus the issues with the French network they just couldn't come to terms. Outstanding boxer no shame in losing to "La Arana" Parra and "El Huracan" Narvaez.

you can give agbeko a pass. he just had his last fight more than a month ago. it's not he's been out for ages. as for the defeat, he lost to the better man that night.

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Originally Posted by zbolt

you can give agbeko a pass. he just had his last fight more than a month ago. it's not he's been out for ages. as for the defeat, he lost to the better man that night.

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For Agbeko it was The what happened part that pertained to him.

I think Quillin's got issues, doesn't seem to know his identity, thinks he's a slugger, then he's a boxer, and that's not it, I just think he's pretty raw and would have to make gigantic improvements to really become a legit beltholder.

Joel Julio has been found lacking when he's stepped up but there's no reason he can't be a gatekeeper.

The ones that stand out are Ponce and Rock Allen. So Ponce lost, so what, its not like you had to make some massive reappraisal of his abilities after that fight, he is what he is, a rough crude guy who's just not gonna beat some guys but if you are really lacking in some areas, defense, mental toughness, chin, etc. he will find you out and therefore should find his way back into the mix.

Rock Allen I can't say I love as a prospect but that's no reason to disappear.

Hope you're right about Pirog Mick since he's Macklin's mandatory. I've heard that fight will be in Birmingham and I'd pay good money to see Macklin get KTFO again.

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Originally Posted by zbolt

you can give agbeko a pass. he just had his last fight more than a month ago. it's not he's been out for ages. as for the defeat, he lost to the better man that night.

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For Agbeko it was The what happened part that pertained to him.

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if darchinyan and yhonny perez can have a fight, we will have a clear answer.

Allen had a pause in action when Naazim, his father, got sick and he just came back a year or so ago. Still, it's very possible that he might just be burned out after boxing literally all his life. He's also been in a couple camps as a sparring partner instead of keeping busy with fihgts.

As for Quillin I completely agree with OumaFan, he's never found his identity in the ring and a lot of questions were raised about him in the Dinisio Miranda bout. To me, Quillin isn't going to make it as a boxer like in that bout. He didn't have a lot of amateur bouts and his best attributes are all physical, his speed, athleticism and raw power, he should be crafting his style around that but it seems like he's digressed a bit.

Joel Julio was working with Mark Breland and Pernell Whitaker for a bit and for a short time he had the fluidity and the jab that he seemingly lacks now. Could have been something but he's still going to provide the power that'll test a prospect's chin.

Agbeko just fought a better boxer then him and still gave a good showing. I'm not sure I think much differently about him now then I did then. He still has balance issues, he's always going to be there to be outboxed and Perez is just an excellent fighter.

Dimitri Pirog is OK. I don't think he has the tools to succeed at the next level.

I'll speak on Jesus Gonzalez my local guy, he was scheduled earlier this year to fight Richard Gutierrez (the guy that rocked Angulo) fight time came Gonzalez couldn't make weight and the fight got cancelled. That fight was scheduled at 154. Later in the year he had a fight scheduled at 160 he got sick and couldn't make weight for that either. It's so frustrating because he had such an amazing amatuer career 151-9. I mean he beat Andre Dirrell for christs sakes.

Arizona needs another champ, I don't know if Gonzalez can get his act together, he definately has the skills and the background, but does he have ganas? I doesn't seem like he does.

He is scheduled for a fight in February against hot prospect Fernando Guerrero, we'll see if the fight even happens if it does it's on ESPN2 FNF.

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Farewell...

Brahim Asloum really talented boxer, too bad he had the injuries plus the issues with the French network they just couldn't come to terms. Outstanding boxer no shame in losing to "La Arana" Parra and "El Huracan" Narvaez.

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You can add Z Gorres here :(

on the other hand After the bout with Katsidis. Amonzot had 3 fights this year despite the serious injury.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

I think Quillin's got issues, doesn't seem to know his identity, thinks he's a slugger, then he's a boxer, and that's not it, I just think he's pretty raw and would have to make gigantic improvements to really become a legit beltholder.

Joel Julio has been found lacking when he's stepped up but there's no reason he can't be a gatekeeper.

The ones that stand out are Ponce and Rock Allen. So Ponce lost, so what, its not like you had to make some massive reappraisal of his abilities after that fight, he is what he is, a rough crude guy who's just not gonna beat some guys but if you are really lacking in some areas, defense, mental toughness, chin, etc. he will find you out and therefore should find his way back into the mix.

Rock Allen I can't say I love as a prospect but that's no reason to disappear.

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I remember LordsGym 1st turned me to Quillin.
So much talks about him and his fights.
I never really thought about his indentity guess cause I didn't follow him too closely.
However I think you don't win 25 bouts just because, theres def something there.
I personally think he bout the hype and just thought he'd cruise by.

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Hope you're right about Pirog Mick since he's Macklin's mandatory. I've heard that fight will be in Birmingham and I'd pay good money to see Macklin get KTFO again.

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Pirog has really good combinations.
But he needs to be composed similar to the way he fought Jantuah.
He needs to pick his shots and put punches together.

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Originally Posted by amat

Allen had a pause in action when Naazim, his father, got sick and he just came back a year or so ago. Still, it's very possible that he might just be burned out after boxing literally all his life. He's also been in a couple camps as a sparring partner instead of keeping busy with fihgts.

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The thing I remember most about Rock Allen was his physicall it's no lie when they named him Rock...

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I'll speak on Jesus Gonzalez my local guy, he was scheduled earlier this year to fight Richard Gutierrez (the guy that rocked Angulo) fight time came Gonzalez couldn't make weight and the fight got cancelled. That fight was scheduled at 154. Later in the year he had a fight scheduled at 160 he got sick and couldn't make weight for that either. It's so frustrating because he had such an amazing amatuer career 151-9. I mean he beat Andre Dirrell for christs sakes.

Arizona needs another champ, I don't know if Gonzalez can get his act together, he definately has the skills and the background, but does he have ganas? I doesn't seem like he does.

He is scheduled for a fight in February against hot prospect Fernando Guerrero, we'll see if the fight even happens if it does it's on ESPN2 FNF.

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Well it's only a matter of time now before he steps in the ring again.
We'll see how that goes. So much talent it's a shame things have fallen off for him.
One things certain I'll keep posted on his return to the ring.

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Farewell...

Brahim Asloum really talented boxer, too bad he had the injuries plus the issues with the French network they just couldn't come to terms. Outstanding boxer no shame in losing to "La Arana" Parra and "El Huracan" Narvaez.

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You can add Z Gorres here :(

on the other hand After the bout with Katsidis. Amonzot had 3 fights this year despite the serious injury.

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A farewell to Z Gorres also and may god continue to bless him.

Interesting thread Mick.

One person I wonder about who seems to have disappeared is Jorge Linares.

A couple years ago and he was supposed to be a future superstar of boxing, now.....he's made no headlines in months.

I believe he lost to a relative nobody? Now he seems to have vanished, a bit like Roman Greenburg.

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Interesting thread Mick.

One person I wonder about who seems to have disappeared is Jorge Linares.

A couple years ago and he was supposed to be a future superstar of boxing, now.....he's made no headlines in months.

I believe he lost to a relative nobody? Now he seems to have vanished, a bit like Roman Greenburg.

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Well Bilbs, the fight just happened 2 months ago.
Surely you don't expect him to fight within 2 months.

IMO, like I said in a thread about boxers that get injured I think the injuries have gotten the best of him...

Yeno who else has disappeared?

Yuri Romanov. The guy hasn't fought since he defended his European against Thaxton in April 2008. He gave his EBU belt up for an IBF title shot but despite being nominated to fight for the vacant title twice this year, it never materialised. I hear it was a visa problem that screwed that shot up. Shame really, he looked a quality fighter.