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IMO i thought Oscar had won there first fight but as i am a fan of his maybe i was a bit bias :rolleyes:, so i was just thinking about the fight and wondering if the Oscar that had just beaten Vargas could have beaten Floyd because even thought there fight came late in Oscar's career he still really gave Floyd a run for his money! So what could a younger Oscar beat him?....................YES! lol your thoughts?
He really didn't give Mayweather a run for his money, it was a relatively competitive fight which people aren't use to seeing, but Mayweather landed 207 to 122 punches. He outjabbed Oscar, and he landed more power punches. Ineffective aggression doesn't win fights, and Oscar wasn't barely landing 10 punches a round against Floyd, and those were 90% of the time glancing blows. Mayweather outboxed him and should have won 117-111 or 116-112. I can't believe how many rounds people felt Oscar won when Mayweather landed twice as many punches and three to four times as many clean punches in the same round. Oscar's jab wasn't that effective either, he only landed it 40 times the entire fight, and strategically it only took a couple of rounds for Mayweather to start countering over it with the right hand, and then Oscar stopped throwing it.
I don't think Oscar would have beaten Floyd earlier in his career, the keys that Oscar had when he faced Floyd as an older guy were better defensive skills and a little more patience. He tended to get sloppy when he was younger, and he has the same stamina problems. Also he was a lot bigger fighting Oscar at 154 than he was when he originally went up to the weight, and he wasn't that much slower. I actually think Mayweather beats a more inexperienced Oscar worse than he did, and I think Mayweather's Oscar would beat Vargas' Oscar for all the reasons said. He is bigger, much better defensively, smarter, better right hand, and only slightly slower.
In one word to the thread starter...NO...not at any point in ODH career would he have beaten Floyd. Not on any planet, no matter how the stars or planets were aligned. I understand the sentiment behind your post as I'm a Roy Jones fan so times have been pretty damn tough for me as a boxing fan. It wasn't all that close a fight the first time. It just looked that way to the untrained eye because ODH pressed the action. Floyd is a viper and picks at you through out the fight with surgical precision which is what he did to Oscar. If Oscar fights him earlier in his career, the Floyd just does this earlier and more often. Floyd still wins the fight...20 out of 20 times.
laying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
the first time? they only fought once, where the hell was i for the rematch?!? :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by 15rounder
I think its best not to mention his name lol, but ye i totally agree. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleslaying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
I personally don't know how anyone can score that fight in favor of Oscar.
Floyd outboxed him in majority of the rounds especially the later rounds where DLH tired. DLH did snatch a few rounds due to a higher pace but even then he never landed anything significant. All the clean solid punches came from Mayweather.
I seen it being scored in favor of Floyd 9-3 or 8-4 at the very worst.
Could a prime Oscar beat Floyd ? Possibly, but i would still favor Mayweather due to his superior boxing skills and defensive smarts.
Floyd fan by any chance?:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
It was a close fight. I remember I had it 8 rounds to 4 rounds (116-112) in favor of Mayweather. I was rooting for Mayweather and I remember being really worried when Oscar's jab proved to be so effective. But then Oscar was just following Floyd around and not really doing that much else. It was definitely a tough fight. I don't think there's anyway in hell that Oscar shoulda won that fight on any of those scorecards but it was definitely a tough fight. Floyd started opening his arsenal a bit in the mid rounds but then he closed it back up until the final two rounds. Oscar didn't look like the same Oscar from 1999-2001 but he looked sturdy and would have been a tough fight for anyone at 154.
that's how i had it, i felt that PBF won clearly but it was still closer than some make it out to be, i had it 116-112 for Mayweather as well, but it was against an already worn DLH, a fresher younger DHL (Vargas/MosleyII) would have given him all that he could handle, and IMO would beat MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
I just don't see how any version of Oscar could have beat Floyd. Oscar is a lot more comfortable with a guy who comes forward and presses the action because then Oscar can counterpunch and show off his handspeed and footwork. Anytime Oscar has been in with an elite BOXER, not fighter, but boxer, he's struggled. Oscar is not effective at pressing the action and that's mainly because the guy never truly developed a right hand, he was primarily a one handed fighter for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesthat's how i had it, i felt that PBF won clearly but it was still closer than some make it out to be, i had it 116-112 for Mayweather as well, but it was against an already worn DLH, a fresher younger DHL (Vargas/MosleyII) would have given him all that he could handle, and IMO would beat MayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
He was only on the ropes for little segments of each round, yet somehow people think it nullifies the fact that inbetween those segments where he was caught on the ropes(and Oscar landed almost none of his punches) Mayweather was peppering him with shots. It wasn't that difficult of a night, and both Castillo fights were much tougher for Floyd and he got hit by much cleaner shots against JLC and Zab Judah.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleslaying on the ropes and taking shots on your arms doesn't win rounds either, and that's what Floyd would do for a good portion of the fight, IMO it was a close fight, and basically the last bit DLH had in his tank, i had Mayweather winning at most 116-112, the Oscar that fought Vargas or Mosley in the rematch would have beaten Mayweather in a close fight and would have stopped Pacquiao within 8 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
It easy to look half decent against Mayweather to the untrained eye, but the fact of the matter is Oscar isn't good enough to beat Floyd. Maybe a prime Robinson or Leonard could do the trick, but not Oscar he just wasn't fast enough or good enough.
Oscar lost the fight to PBF, however the Oscar of 1999-2001 was a different story. At 147lb the Oscar of 2000 beats PBF! So does Mosley of the same year!
Yes, Oscar could beat Floyd a NUMBER of fighters could have beaten Floyd! But Floyd is very good and I think he could beat a number of solid fighters.
How was the 2000 version of Oscar any better than he was against Mayweather? He only had better speed, he had no right hand, he didn't have as good of defensive skills, and he over threw his jab which a fast guy would eventually counter over and over again. Also when he would get tired late like he always does and did, he was naturally smaller back then and easier to hurt than later on.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
Mosley would be a better fight, but he still doesn't have the boxing skills to beat Mayweather, he had already started to look different from the dominant, brilliant lightweight he was, the combinations weren't as natural or thrown as often, his jab has never been that good, and he would load up on punches Floyd would see coming from a mile away. It would be close just because MOsley is so strong and so fast, but Floyd would win a close fight against Shane if those two versions of them fought. Shane is a much bigger guy with the same speed and much more strength, but he doesn't have the boxing skills.
Robinson was just so physically dominant, and he was adept at fighting on the outside, I doubt he would catch Floyd cleanly very often, but he would have won because he would have kept Floyd on the defensive all night much more effectively than Oscar.
Leonard: I think its a toss up, but Leonard's size advantage and adept ability to fight on the outside would have made it very tough for Floyd. Their similar speed would offset that advantage for either guy, but I think Leonard is the more offensive guy so more often than not the more active guy gets the nod. I bet Floyd would land more punches if they fought though.