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Super Featherweight
No one.
Lightweight
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Shane Mosley = highly debatable.
ODLH = Would be very close.
Jr Welterweight
No one.
Welterweight
Tommy Hearns
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sugar Ray Robinson
Jr Middleweight
Terry Norris
Wilfredo Benitez
You don't think Arguello or Nelson could have given him a go at Super Feather? Chavez, Pryor, Tszyu, or Taylor at 140?
Decent list though
Whitaker vs. Mayweather would have been the ultimate chess match. ;D
Nah Arguello, Nelson, Chavez, struggled vs boxers. Aaron Pryor's too wild see how a decent boxer in Gary Hinton almost beat him, Kostya Tszyu is too slow and he would be picked apart by counters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
Meldrick Taylor would probably trouble him but he's not as well rounded. I think some of those fighters would trouble him but not beat him, which is why i didn't mention them bro.
I'd love to have seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
Before anyone bashes me i want to be as objective as possible. Shane would not win. Sure he's "old" now but seriously i don't think any version of mosley would beat floyd. Reason being that Styles make fights and we all know that Mosley struggles with boxers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
About Oscar de la hoya, i dont think any version beats Floyd either. I personally think the younger version of ODLH was far to one handed to beat him, although a KO is possible, i wouldnt bank on it. Whitaker? No, it would be a toss up but i pick Mayweather.
Lastly (and I know many will disagree), I don't think duran beats mayweather. Don't get me wrong, Duran is the greater fighter legacy wise, but styles make fights and i see Duran being outboxed. I dont see Duran making Mayweather fight out of his element. But with a guy like Duran, you just never know.
Above lightweight I would agree though. SRL would be pretty close i would think but this Sugar would edge it. Tommy Hearns is the prototype to manhandle floyd. I reckon he would knock Floyd's block off. SRR I honestly don't know, but i'd favour Robinson.
I just don't buy into the notion that these ATG would automatically destroy floyd. I mean, hate him or love him, I think he has one of the most difficult styles to beat. Whether your name is Sugar Ray Leonard or Robinson you're not gonna just walk through a guy like May. Once again, i'm not saying Mayweather is the greatest of all time, far from it, but he's definitely got one of the most difficult styles to beat.
Duran could box very well on the inside...plus he got away with more fouls just like Floyd does, maybe worse. He KO'd Ken Buchannan with a low blow
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, is a backdoor attempt to salvage some grace after being on the other side of the outcome of this fight. One can always make or form these conclusions based on reasons and statistics that are subjectively interpreted. I mean the very idea that this has some kind of cognitive value is ludicrous. Please, lets deal with issues we can measure in real time, and end these infatuations with adoloscent thought processes of "Coulda, woulda, shoulda" :rolleyes:
Besides the welterweights I shake my head in confusion, he would beat anyone else on here way more often than not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Mayweather would move against Duran everytime and win by staying away and frustrating him.
De La Hoya at lightweight? Really? His chin wasn't as good, Floyd hit harder at lightweight for the weight class, I think he had better comparative speed at that class. The lower weight category they fight at the more decisively Floyd wins because it gets closer and closer to his best weight.
Mosley: it would be a better matchup, but Floyd would still be too sharp and quick(not too fast).
Pernell Whitaker is a great fighter, but Floyd is even better defensively and faster, still would be a great fight, but you have to favor the better fighter which is Floyd.
the welterweights definitely have a great chance of beating PBF, but he has an equal chance of beating any of them except maybe Hearns. And
lets not forget how much naturally bigger they are.
At 154
Terry Norris: power and speed, could definitely give Floyd a scare early, but Mayweather would adjust, dominate, and maybe even stop Terry.
Benitez: great defensive fighter, but I thought Whitaker was better and Floyd beats Benitez for the same reasons.
For sure, but Floyd's physical gifts and superior technique would be the deciding factor in a fight that would progressively go more and more in his favor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oggie
Well Taeth people consider Duran and Whittaker 2 of the greatest lightweights of ALL TIME.....I'm not saying he's not great but they don't say that about Floyd Mayweather Jr. and there ARE valid reasons behind that line of thinking.
BTW, I have to add Marvin Hagler at 160.
Someone in the other thread believes FLoyd will beat Hagler in 15 rounds easily.
I love FLoyd's skills, but he ain't beating Hagler and he ain't beating him easily.
I actually give JCC and Nelson at spr feather top chances.Both could be boxed but were excellent of closing range to both head and body.JCC pretty fluid under Welter,boxed a little more.Superb chins and solid dedication to body.Would be a bit of a track meet but at respected points in careers I think they are extremely live with Mayweather.
might sound nuts at Jr welt but the first that came to mind,dont laugh,Hector camacho ??Could his hand,foot speed equally trouble Mayweather ??Case of first who commits or Mayweather just too sharp at range?
Love Norris.But I was never sold on that beard when in comes to all time vs pondering.He could be rocked by 'fast' power and clubbing power.His emotions & instinct forced him into alot of mistakes.Tremendous combo hitter but was never sold on his balance,just think if Mayweather stays sharp/smart he could time Norris badly
There are 4 fighters on this list who I don't think, but KNOW would beat Floyd at the mentioned weights: Duran at lightweight (was too much of an animal at 135), Robinson at welterweight (G.O.A.T.), and Norris and Benitez at Jr Middleweight (however that's only because Floyd clearly is too small for 154 as he showed when he weighed in 4 lbs under the limit his only fight there, he beats Benitez at every other weight). Sorry to say but of the 4 greats of the 80s Leonard is by far the most overrated. People b!tching that Floyd handpicked opponents need to first get a clue and realize Leonard was the Godfather of handpicking and dodging and maneuvering and waiting, only difference is Floyd doesn't have Angelo Dundee to cover his butt and say he instructed his fighter to wait on fighting certain people (just ask Hearns and Pryor and Hagler), and the dude flat out lost to Hagler. Also, of all the fighters mentioned only one has a GLARING weakness, and that's Hearns which is his conditioning. Match that with a fighter whose conditioning has not been surpassed by anyone and Tommy has a serious problem, not to mention I'm sick of people thinking that every single time Hearns landed his right hand he automatically just ended the fight at that moment. Yes he's pound for pound possibly the hardest puncher ever but ya'll do realize he landed it flush on several other opponents and they continued on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
That's ridiculous, isn't it. Floyd is a small welterweight and Hagler would have been much too big and strong. Marvin would come out like he did against Hearns and Floyd would just be a bit too small, Hagler would walk right through him (and I mean that with no disrespect to Mayweather). Jesus, nuthuggers will srat saying that Floys would outbox prime Mike Tyson next.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I'd like to have seen Floyd v a prime Don Curry, that would have been fun. Ray leonard and Floys would have been a fascinating matchup.
I think Floyd is a much smoother boxer, and possibly a more complete fighter, than Tommy Hearns ..... but I think that the REAL Hit Man would have been PBF's nightmare opponent.