Ufc & Boxing

ok there clearly is a few people on this site who do not like ufc!
but i think that there is a somewhat snobbery from boxing fans to the sport of MMA as if its not a real sport. that boxing is so much more civilised or above UFC. now i just thought ufc fighters were thugs until i watched the way they train & how skilled they are abt a yr ago & ever since i have been hooked.

in boxing many fighters fight no ones for 20 pro fights or even more these ufc guys jump in straight away with credible opponents & ex champions very early even in their first few fights.

just interested in peoples views on this subject?

I like it . On the whole its the larger testing ground for warriors.

I think how they have avoided a fatality is interesting.

Boxing has them, This new version of Ufc for the moment doesnt.

They say because they are allowed to finish it on the spot; then there is less percussive damage as in the standing ten count etc.

The Ufc refs are great and onto them fast and fear nothing.

I hope it doesnt get too much like wrestling with the pre match banter and hype though,boxing has its fair share of it too, I just hope the levels remain the same,we are not fools we dont need to be re-sold anything.

I have to say the ufc has definately grown on me, u definately have to respect those guys as athletes. Boxing will always be number 1 in my eyes tho

I will just say that people who are considered good punchers in MMA usually don't even have a remedial understanding of boxing, maybe that helps them in MMA but just imagine if 1 of those guys actually turned over on a hook instead of just trying to throw those big George Foreman caveman clubbing style hooks....I mean sure that style worked for Big George but that dude was a beast and also as a boxer he knew how to throw combinations.

Look at Leonard Garcia's last fight....sure Leonard's my boy and all but honestly how can either Leonard or his opponent not know what's coming when they were standing toe to toe it was simple left, right, left, right, left, right....BOB AND WEAVE DAMNIT!!!!

I can respect some fighters but in my honest opinion a good solid boxer would wreck an MMA dude any day of the week. Look at Ray Mercer, sure he's been KO'd by kicks before but he destroyed the former UFC heavyweight Champ in like 10 seconds

UFC's gay, plain and simple. I don't give a shit about how much I'd respect the "ground game" if I actually studied the "art" or how hard these guys train. Alot of the guys I've seen look like boxers at their walking around weight. How can you be training hard when you've got a gut? I usually don't agree with Hopkins but he hit the nail right on the head when he said two sweaty men rolling around on the floor in panties is gay porn. I think that UFC fans look down at boxing fans just as much. Now every dickhead and his dog is the world's greatest streetfighter because he watches a bit of UFC and knows how to box because its "just one of the many elements an MMA fighter has "mastered". Man these guys are just as bad at throwing a punch as the village drunk and their defense is just as pathetic. I've seen guys get knocked down by jabs thrown while on one foot.

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Originally Posted by jahmez

UFC's gay, plain and simple. I don't give a shit about how much I'd respect the "ground game" if I actually studied the "art" or how hard these guys train. Alot of the guys I've seen look like boxers at their walking around weight. How can you be training hard when you've got a gut? I usually don't agree with Hopkins but he hit the nail right on the head when he said two sweaty men rolling around on the floor in panties is gay porn. I think that UFC fans look down at boxing fans just as much. Now every dickhead and his dog is the world's greatest streetfighter because he watches a bit of UFC and knows how to box because its "just one of the many elements an MMA fighter has "mastered". Man these guys are just as bad at throwing a punch as the village drunk and their defense is just as pathetic. I've seen guys get knocked down by jabs thrown while on one foot.

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Look, don't hold back just cause we are here, ;D

it has really grown on me over the past year, I now have a better understanding of the various styles and moves they have.

The same old argument gets trotted out about them not punching properly and not being able to last with a boxer. Same is said in reverse, tell a boxer to go in with a Ju Jitsu expert and watch him get his ass thrown down and his arms snapped off. of course a boxer will win over in a straight stand up game, that's why he isn't in the UFC.

Lets see how well Toney does , they will give him someone with an ego who wants to punch so he looks good, then they will have to put him in with someone like Lesnar...........now that might be a fun night.

Different strokes I suppose, I will always be a boxing fan first off, but that said I like the fact they don't write you off for one loss and like said previously they test you early.

I do wonder how long they can last though with just one Champ per weight, will they get like boxing and have to have seperate organisations to cope with the growing amount of MMA fighters and demand for more shows.

As for the gay comments :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jamiebhoy

it has really grown on me over the past year, I now have a better understanding of the various styles and moves they have.

The same old argument gets trotted out about them not punching properly and not being able to last with a boxer. Same is said in reverse, tell a boxer to go in with a Ju Jitsu expert and watch him get his ass thrown down and his arms snapped off. of course a boxer will win over in a straight stand up game, that's why he isn't in the UFC.

Lets see how well Toney does , they will give him someone with an ego who wants to punch so he looks good, then they will have to put him in with someone like Lesnar...........now that might be a fun night.

Different strokes I suppose, I will always be a boxing fan first off, but that said I like the fact they don't write you off for one loss and like said previously they test you early.

I do wonder how long they can last though with just one Champ per weight, will they get like boxing and have to have seperate organisations to cope with the growing amount of MMA fighters and demand for more shows.

As for the gay comments :rolleyes:

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They already do mate. Strikeforce have their own world champs and there are other minor organisations out there too.

The UFC have been pretty aggressive buying up the other organisations, Pride, and now they seem to have control over WEC.

Strikeforce is definitely growing though. They have Fedor in their heavyweight ranks so can lay claim to have the real man at that weight class. Meanwhile Jake Shields completely dominated Dan Henderson to retain his middleweight title last month.

Their world champs aren't as good as their UFC counterparts in the main, although Shields would make a decent opponent for Silva.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by jamiebhoy

it has really grown on me over the past year, I now have a better understanding of the various styles and moves they have.

The same old argument gets trotted out about them not punching properly and not being able to last with a boxer. Same is said in reverse, tell a boxer to go in with a Ju Jitsu expert and watch him get his ass thrown down and his arms snapped off. of course a boxer will win over in a straight stand up game, that's why he isn't in the UFC.

Lets see how well Toney does , they will give him someone with an ego who wants to punch so he looks good, then they will have to put him in with someone like Lesnar...........now that might be a fun night.

Different strokes I suppose, I will always be a boxing fan first off, but that said I like the fact they don't write you off for one loss and like said previously they test you early.

I do wonder how long they can last though with just one Champ per weight, will they get like boxing and have to have seperate organisations to cope with the growing amount of MMA fighters and demand for more shows.

As for the gay comments :rolleyes:

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They already do mate. Strikeforce have their own world champs and there are other minor organisations out there too.

The UFC have been pretty aggressive buying up the other organisations, Pride, and now they seem to have control over WEC.

Strikeforce is definitely growing though. They have Fedor in their heavyweight ranks so can lay claim to have the real man at that weight class. Meanwhile Jake Shields completely dominated Dan Henderson to retain his middleweight title last month.

Their world champs aren't as good as their UFC counterparts in the main, although Shields would make a decent opponent for Silva.

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Excellent point on UFC agressive marketing , the only real other organisation I had really heard of was Pride, now you've just given more options to look out for downloading Bilbo !!

All they need to do is have Fedor whack out Lesnar and they can claim the big title.Then they would probably be on the map more......until UFC buy them out !

...another thing about MMA/UFC is that it's still in the very young stages and it's rapidly evolving into a more well rounded fighting style.

But the punching is just ridiculous and I laugh at them

I do think that UFC has some great fighters and puts on some good cards. Boxing ppvs tend to be one big question mark main event and a bunch of nothing in the televised undercards. UFC sometimes has multiple belts on the line in one night. My only problem with MMA is the odds that some dude beer belly slob has of comin in and winning. Boxing, to the untrained eye, looks more civilized cuz people feel like if they walked in there, they dont have a chance at winning against an experienced fighter. Some guys sit on the couch and watch of UFC fight and really believe they could train for a couple weeks and go in there and hold their own. Someone could train for a couple years and get their head knocked off in a boxing match against amateurs. I'm a boxer who has respect for both genres cuz i just love all fighting. But when I hear people talk about the two, people dislike the odds that some toughman has of catching a guy with a nothing hook (and we all know that most of these mma dudes cant punch worth a shit), and walk away with a W. I dont agree or disagree, but they make a good point. Some people enjoy upsets, others would like more definitive great fighters, rather than have the biggest star and most seen person in mma be the commissioner.

i hope mayorga and toney smash thomas and couture to bits when they meet, just to show whos king

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Originally Posted by jahmez

UFC's gay, plain and simple. I don't give a shit about how much I'd respect the "ground game" if I actually studied the "art" or how hard these guys train. Alot of the guys I've seen look like boxers at their walking around weight. How can you be training hard when you've got a gut? I usually don't agree with Hopkins but he hit the nail right on the head when he said two sweaty men rolling around on the floor in panties is gay porn. I think that UFC fans look down at boxing fans just as much. Now every dickhead and his dog is the world's greatest streetfighter because he watches a bit of UFC and knows how to box because its "just one of the many elements an MMA fighter has "mastered". Man these guys are just as bad at throwing a punch as the village drunk and their defense is just as pathetic. I've seen guys get knocked down by jabs thrown while on one foot.

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I probably dislike UFC/MMA/Cage fighting more than you do, but that is a pretty accurate description.

Never watched it or ever felt the need to watch it. Barely gets any coverage in the UK all barring the odd 2am eurosport showing.

Cant imagine its one of those things that`ll ever grow on me. Everybody i know knows of only football and boxing

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Originally Posted by paddy448

i hope mayorga and toney smash thomas and couture to bits when they meet, just to show whos king

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yeah me to paddy mate