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So this started on another thread and I was wondering what the rest of the forum thought about a fight between Cotto and Angulo.
It would be a great fight but I think Angulo would end this one by TKO. Too much preasure, too much size, too many flashback!!
What do you guys think?
I see this fight going the same way as the Margarito fight. Cotto winning big the first half of the fight then Angulo eventually landing more and more. I can't see Cotto keeping him off of him the entire fight.
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Originally Posted by C-Lo
Especially as Angulo is bigger then Margarito...I hope he doesnt take that fight but it would be good while it lasts.
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I have to give Cintron props because he did make him look very bad, but I think alot of that had to do with the reach of Cintron and obviously the punching power. Two things that Cotto doesnt carry much of in this division. I dont see Julio fight the same way you do, while he was certainly hanging tough Julio was getting hit with some very clean shots for the entire fight and while he made it far he is also bigger than Cotto and could absorb more than what a very beat up forward can take from the bigger man.
While he looked good against Foreman you knmow very well that Foreman's shots dont have much snap thats why that fight was choosen.
My first thought would be that Cotto boxes his way to a UD. Angulo is the definition of limited and one-dimensional, but I think you make a very good point about the Margarito fight. Cotto won't be able to hurt Angulo (if Cintron couldn't, Cotto won't) and his stamina would probably let him down in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
how can you say Cotto's power wasn't carried up to 154? first off you can't really base it on just that fight, and if you want to just base it on that fight, Cotto was staggering Foreman with just his double jabs, and solid rightsQuote:
Originally Posted by OnixAAQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I have to give Cintron props because he did make him look very bad, but I think alot of that had to do with the reach of Cintron and obviously the punching power. Two things that Cotto doesnt carry much of in this division. I dont see Julio fight the same way you do, while he was certainly hanging tough Julio was getting hit with some very clean shots for the entire fight and while he made it far he is also bigger than Cotto and could absorb more than what a very beat up forward can take from the bigger man.
While he looked good against Foreman you knmow very well that Foreman's shots dont have much snap thats why that fight was choosen.
Cintron might have better reach but Cotto has overall better skills and movement, if he's as patient as he was against Foreman i don't see Cotto tiring and boxing circles around Angulo
This was the first fight that came to mind when watching Cotto beat Foreman the other night.
Regardless of how low some poeple rate Angulo, I think it would be a great great all action fight and Angulo would have a chance of wearing Cotto down late.
By the 12th round Angulo had Cintron practically out on his feet.
I'll pick Cotto to out box him, and I am def not an Angulo fan, but their styles would make for a great fight and Angulo would have a much better shot than what some hard headed people on this forum are giving him.
Let's not act like Angulo is automatically as good of a fighter as Margarito. Margarito beat Cintron twice while Angulo lost even if he was coming on at the end, for fighters of the same style you can kind of draw off that.
Cotto to me didn't look as good as I hoped he would.
class wise, cotto takes it but then again, angulo hits too hard to be dismissed by any 154lber. like someone already alluded to, cotto will build up a nice impressive lead but i see angulo getting stronger as the fight goes on and takes cotto to very deep waters. can cotto survive? that remains to be seen but i definitely give angulo a great chance of beating cotto!
How good is Margarito? Even if you're a Margarito fan we don't know how long he used plaster. He even still says he never knew. If true, then the wraps had to have felt normal to him with drying plaster in them. So that could've been the norm. 2 fights we know he didn't and he looked like crap in one losing by bad TKO and the other he looked average or so. I think we need to see more of Margarito. He may very well have been boosted by cheating the whole time. I mean this is the same guy who before he got caught with the plaster had broken one fighters eye socket, nearly torn off another fighter's ear, and had Cotto bleeding from his eyes, nose, mouth, and ears. Even if you're the most naive guy in the world you have to see that this is abnormal and highly suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
Point taken. I do agree that Cotto should outbox Angulo but I only worry about how much does Cotto have left. He does have quite the mileage and maybe Angulo would be the benefactor of a overridden horse. But if Cotto is even 85% of his best he should be able to go 12 good rounds of hit and miss with Angulo.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them. Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
I have Cotto by UD or late stoppage
Yes Angulo came on late vs Cintron BUT Kermit did 0 work to the body and I think with Miguel outboxing him and landing solid to the body Angulo has little chance to catch a second wind and for a pressure fighter I feel Angulo lacks a lot in the "sense of urgency" department....if you're a true pressure fighter it's your job to wear down your opponent and win rounds doing so....vs Cintron Angulo had no sense of urgency until it was too late. Say what you will about Cotto but he wants to win every single round and usually he does it or takes more out of his opponent than is taken out of him.
Either way Miguel boxing and the work to the body are keys