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I could not find it was curious on opps of a primes SMW early LHW version of Roy Jones Vs Floyd Mayweather Jr...Who wins and why....
I go with Roy due to his crazy speed and knockout power he posessed...Not to mention he was a showman in the ring and I think he would actually frustrate Floyd....The first time Floyd fell for one of Roys hands behind the back shots or Cock Fighter impressions it would embaress him enough to fall out of his game....
Other Opps....
If we did this before scrap it
I think there were about 100 thread at the time! ;D
I'd go with exactly the same result as the fight they had, in exactly the same manor.
Jones rocks Floyd but can't finish. Floyd pulls away the longer the fight goes on
I think Mayweather could take this.
Mayweather coped with speed really well in the Judah and Mosley fights by simply switching to a hands up defence.
ah well like I said junk the thread lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...
Now I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.
I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.
In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.
Well said on the Pacquiao Mayweather issue...The other I dont see it.....Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyNow I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.
I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.
In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.
Roy was tooo damn fast...He hit too damn hard...he embaressed too many not decent fighters but HOF fighters.....His chin then was not shakey or if it was that as well just adds to the fact he was so good noone even had the chance to test it...
Hopkins, Tate, Toney, Paz, McCallum, Hill all ATG all HOF bound all dangerous when Roy beat them handily......Finished those who he did when he wanted...As far as the skillset of Judah?...Zab has mental breakdowns deciding to buy one or two ply bathroom tissue so the skills are only good when used....I have top go with Roy by KO.....IMO he waits for Floyd to try and counter times him drops him Floyd gets up Roy too quick to allow him to hold and catches him again for the stoppage as Floyd tries to grab on.....If he tries the high defense Roy breaks the body down....
Ask Virgil Hill how hard Roy bangs the body
As usual in a thread about Floyd Mayweather Jr, if I post ANYTHING I run the risk of being called a racist but I will just post facts....
Floyd HAS been rocked in his prime and rocked hard
Roy Jones Jr in his prime hardly ever lost a single round and its not likely that Floyd would have sparked Roy, he may have touched him up a bit but he wouldn't spark him cold.
RJJ by TKO...because when RJJ wanted to finish someone he did it!
Zab Judah never had the mental game, and at times FMJ struggled to anticipate the speed, and Shane Mosley whilst still dangerous. Was old and had been inactive for over a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyNow I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.
I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.
In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.
Put it this way James Toney used shoulder roll like FMJ, and was also a master counter puncher. Yet he was embarrassed over 12 rounds, FMJ couldn't stand in the pocket vs RJJ, nor could he be the aggressor because RJJ hit too damn hard.
[QUOTE=DaxxKahn;891840]Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Hey Guys, I hope you don't mind I reply with one post to both of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Roy was amazing- gifted in every department, He was incredible.
But when matching up these hypothetical fights and trying to solve the p4p puzzle I always ask myself who's attributes would I rather have myself.
I'll give them relatively equal or similar levels of athleticism, intelligence and ring generalship.
So would I prefer;
Roy's speed and power
or
Mayweather's defensive skills and precision.
So maybe this is the boxing idealist in me, but I would prefer the more polished skill set and precise boxing.
The idea of pugilism is skills over physicality so out of sheer stubborness I refuse to pick Roy;D
[QUOTE=hitmandonny;891864]Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyNow I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.
I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.
In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.
TOP QUOTE: Well who was it that rocked Jones in his prime that wasn't a naturally bigger man than him? He was only hurt twice and that was 15 years into the sport. Yeah Lou dropped him but he got right up and was more pissed at himself than anything for getting hit with the shot, but he clearly wasn't hurt...and text book skillset no jones didnt have it..but being an extremely smart or having a stable boxing brain is something Judah never possessed so what good is it to have those skills but cant use them to optimum performance? RJJ vs FLoyd, RJJ chin would never come into question...Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Hey Guys, I hope you don't mind I reply with one post to both of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Roy was amazing- gifted in every department, He was incredible.
But when matching up these hypothetical fights and trying to solve the p4p puzzle I always ask myself who's attributes would I rather have myself.
I'll give them relatively equal or similar levels of athleticism, intelligence and ring generalship.
So would I prefer;
Roy's speed and power
or
Mayweather's defensive skills and precision.
So maybe this is the boxing idealist in me, but I would prefer the more polished skill set and precise boxing.
The idea of pugilism is skills over physicality so out of sheer stubborness I refuse to pick Roy;D
BOTTOM QUOTE: As someone already mentioned RJJ rarely lost a round, which means he rarely lost focus. Even against the guys people dont give him credit for. RJJ won his fights in terms of rounds by the largest margin possibly in history. I don't think people really realize how incredible that is. For 49 fights over 15 years the closest anyone had been was a 116-112 UD against BHOP. Roy's skills were polished to a point wear they seemed natural and exclusive to him. Floyd's style can be taught to anyone, just look at little cashflow diaz', or even floyd senior for that matter. It's about how those skills are applied as floyd says "we hit the bag the same, we all jump rope the same" etc etc but in ring can you use them the way he does, which point to brain power and I think RJJ would out think him, not to mention RJJ really had a lot of power, and even more speed and reflex...I like floyd equally as RJJ, but ROY would win...
1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.
Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.
Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.
I agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.
Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.
Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.
We may never know what happens with Floyd when his skills fade. A guy who could drop 3-4 punches on him whilst hurt or 1 big shot that sparks him could be the person that finally beats him...RJJ had exactly those skills and he threw every punch in the book and every single one could hurt you or stop you...hooks, crosses, uppercuts. Floyd has never seen the likes of RJJ's attack.
Roy has coped with Toney and Hopkins and with their defense and wiles they are almost similar to Floyd.
How can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.