If anyone would care to watch this fight and try and score it. Eubank deffinitly wan the last 3 rounds, getting a beauty of a knockdown in round 10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpGRA...eature=related
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If anyone would care to watch this fight and try and score it. Eubank deffinitly wan the last 3 rounds, getting a beauty of a knockdown in round 10.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpGRA...eature=related
I had Steve Collins just edging it last time i saw it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Iv never boxed professional or judged or reffed but alot of Collins punches never landed. Eubank as daft having the rematch so soon after (same mistake against Thompson).Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI had Steve Collins just edging it last time i saw it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Eubank had 6 fights in 94, 5 of them went the 12 round distance and only 3 of them were in England, so he did alot of traveling. Collins was the first fight in 95 for him, I reckon Chris was a bit jaded by this point. He should have had 6 months off before the rematch, instead he had 2 fights in the 6 months inbetween!! Ok they were both first round knockouts but he would have had training camps for both.
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Originally Posted by ross
can't watch it again because i was in spain the night of that fight and had a bet on eubank winning in rd 10 which would have paid for my whole holiday....
all i remember is screaming at the telly when he started posturing after the KD :mad::mad::mad:
Don't matter if you've never boxed mate, your opinion means as much as the next guy on here. I had a few Amateur fights, but that doesn't mean anything when judging fights, i mean i pretty much always disagree with Barry McGuigan, and he was a world champion.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossIv never boxed professional or judged or reffed but alot of Collins punches never landed. Eubank as daft having the rematch so soon after (same mistake against Thompson).Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI had Steve Collins just edging it last time i saw it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Eubank had 6 fights in 94, 5 of them went the 12 round distance and only 3 of them were in England, so he did alot of traveling. Collins was the first fight in 95 for him, I reckon Chris was a bit jaded by this point. He should have had 6 months off before the rematch, instead he had 2 fights in the 6 months inbetween!! Ok they were both first round knockouts but he would have had training camps for both.
As for the fight i just felt Chris Eubank posed too much, and IMO Steve Collins won by being the aggressor and being consistent with his workrate. i don't really feel like watching it again at this point.
But i felt Chris Eubank had it in the bag in the 10th round, but he gave it away. Just like he did in the 1st Carl Thompson fight. Infact i think if the Michael Watson tragedy hadn't of happened.
I think he would of stopped both Steve Collins, Carl Thompson. He also had Joe Calzaghe badly hurt at the end of there fight, but it was too little too late.
Eubanks won a close fight the first time, the second time Collins jumped on him from the start.
Eubanks problem in that fight and the Thompson fight is that he doesnt know how finish. He is awful on the front foot when he has to press and finish someone so he lays back and showboats. He blames the Watson incident for losing his killer instinct. I just think he didnt have the stmina or the know how to fight off the front foot when he had a guy hurt.
How can you show off when you are losing a fight?! I liked Eubank but he annoyed me that night cuz he had Collins down but let him off the hook. Did he honestly expect to get a decision in Ireland?! It was abit like Nas clowing against Barrera. When you are getting owned you have to dig deep and risk looking bad instead of trying to look good and lose.
The whole of round 9 epitomises Eubank. He drops Collins hard! and then spends most of the round posing. He had some good power and brilliant head movement, I dont think he expecteda long fight though and may not have put enough work in training, either that or the weight was getting to him.
Something I dont remember from years ago is that second knockdown Eubank should have got in that round 9. Earlier in the fight Eubank stumbles on his ass backwards bu because a punch landed on his stomach, it was called a knockdown. near the end of the 9th, Eubank lands a nice stiff jab in Collins face and Collins drops to his knees and they call it a slip but when you watch, I reckon it did hurt Collins.
Eubank also drops Collins in the second but Collins manages to dupe the ref in to calling it a slip. He actually runs to the ref and wipes his gloves on the refs shirt and shouts "no knockdown" himself!! What a twat. Cant believe he got away with that!
If Eubank had all 3 of his knockdowns against Collins counted, looking at the scores he would have won a majority decision!!
I just watched that to see for myself, and it does appear in the 2nd round. That Chris Eubank drops Steve Collins with a right hand at the start of round 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Yeah I remember those knockdowns and I think the ref did mess up but he was clearly more biased towards Steve. No way was Chris getting a decision in Irlenad but the KD in the 10th was too clean for the ref to call it a slip. I bet if Steve called it no knockdown though the ref would have been in two minds. He was probably waiting to see how Steve reacted before making his decision.
Prime for prime Eubank was in a different league.
If the KD's were counted against Collins, R2 would've been 10-8 Eubank instead of 10-9 Collins and R10 would've been 10-7 Eubank instead of 10-8 Eubank. If the KD against Eubank wasn't counted, R8 would've been 10-9 Eubank instead of 10-8 Collins.
Despite all of that, I still have Eubank winning with the KD's scored/not scored as they were by the ref.
Eubank- 1,3,4,6,10(10-8 ),11,12
Collins- 2,5,7,8(10-8 ),9
114-112 Eubank
I'm tempted to have R8 as 10-9 to Collins instead of 10-8 Collins, because Eubank rallied back hard and shook him, and the KD was actually balance. (If I did that, it's 115-112 Eubank..)
I think Eubanks said himself that for the second fight Collins won by being more awkward that he was.