How Far Away Is Froch From Being a Pound 4 Pounder?
After Pascal beat Dawson, it had me thinking about Froch...
He's beaten Dirrell, Pascal and he knocked out Taylor. He ran Kessler pretty close in Denmark - infact i had it very close, only to be told i was wrong, oddly enough, even by people who'd only watched it on a stream. ;D
That's besides the point. IF Froch beats Abraham, where does that leave him? Talent wise, he'd be nowhere near, but you can't argue with his record (If he beats Abraham).
Would anybody have him anywhere near their top 10?
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Nah, I wouldn't mate! He is a European level fighter imo, Defence is and always has been not good enough at the highest level.
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Nah, I wouldn't mate! He is a European level fighter imo, Defence is and always has been not good enough at the highest level.
I'm not disputing his technical ability, which is European level at best. But Hatton's technical ability was limited, and he didn't beat a top fighter who was in their prime, yet managed to float around the top 10 for 3 years.
Froch has 3, possibly 4 (if he beat Abraham) very good names on his resume. Surely that counts for something?
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Nah, I wouldn't mate! He is a European level fighter imo, Defence is and always has been not good enough at the highest level.
I'm not disputing his technical ability, which is European level at best. But Hatton's technical ability was limited, and he didn't beat a top fighter who was in their prime, yet managed to float around the top 10 for 3 years.
Froch has 3, possibly 4 (if he beat Abraham) very good names on his resume. Surely that counts for something?
I guess for Hatton, you could argue he cleaned up his weight division, then moved up a division and captured another title, therefor you can argue the point, Froch needs to clean up the SMW before he could be considered IMO
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Nah, I wouldn't mate! He is a European level fighter imo, Defence is and always has been not good enough at the highest level.
I'm not disputing his technical ability, which is European level at best. But Hatton's technical ability was limited, and he didn't beat a top fighter who was in their prime, yet managed to float around the top 10 for 3 years.
Froch has 3, possibly 4 (if he beat Abraham) very good names on his resume. Surely that counts for something?
I guess for Hatton, you could argue he cleaned up his weight division, then moved up a division and captured another title, therefor you can argue the point, Froch needs to clean up the SMW before he could be considered IMO
Yeah he cleaned up at 140 at a time when Mayweather and Cotto moved to 147. He cleaned up a division that consisted of Malignaggi, Urango, Maussa, Harris, Witter. Tyszu was a great win, but Tyszu was also ageing. Castillo was a good win, but again he was ageing.
I see wins over Pascal, Dirrell and Taylor being just as impressive as anything Hatton did at 140, maybe with exception of Tszyu.
I think Froch's resume stands up nicely alongside it, and i think it will better it if he was to beat Abraham.
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Far away. He lost against Kessler who was beat by Ward and Calzaghe and Froch only scraped by against Dirrell. He needs to beat Abraham, Ward, and Kessler in a rematch to even be considered in a conversation.
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Nah, I wouldn't mate! He is a European level fighter imo, Defence is and always has been not good enough at the highest level.
I'm not disputing his technical ability, which is European level at best. But Hatton's technical ability was limited, and he didn't beat a top fighter who was in their prime, yet managed to float around the top 10 for 3 years.
Froch has 3, possibly 4 (if he beat Abraham) very good names on his resume. Surely that counts for something?
I guess for Hatton, you could argue he cleaned up his weight division, then moved up a division and captured another title, therefor you can argue the point, Froch needs to clean up the SMW before he could be considered IMO
Yeah he cleaned up at 140 at a time when Mayweather and Cotto moved to 147. He cleaned up a division that consisted of Malignaggi, Urango, Maussa, Harris, Witter. Tyszu was a great win, but Tyszu was also ageing. Castillo was a good win, but again he was ageing.
I see wins over Pascal, Dirrell and Taylor being just as impressive as anything Hatton did at 140, maybe with exception of Tszyu.
I think Froch's resume stands up nicely alongside it, and i think it will better it if he was to beat Abraham.
Froch is coming off a loss, and there's a good possibillity he's about to loose two in a row, i'd say it's way too early for pfp talk. Just yesterday there was a thread suggesting direll should be kicked out of the tourny now he's used as part of an argument to raise froch's stock ??
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BIG H
Nah, I wouldn't mate! He is a European level fighter imo, Defence is and always has been not good enough at the highest level.
I'm not disputing his technical ability, which is European level at best. But Hatton's technical ability was limited, and he didn't beat a top fighter who was in their prime, yet managed to float around the top 10 for 3 years.
Froch has 3, possibly 4 (if he beat Abraham) very good names on his resume. Surely that counts for something?
I guess for Hatton, you could argue he cleaned up his weight division, then moved up a division and captured another title, therefor you can argue the point, Froch needs to clean up the SMW before he could be considered IMO
Yeah he cleaned up at 140 at a time when Mayweather and Cotto moved to 147. He cleaned up a division that consisted of Malignaggi, Urango, Maussa, Harris, Witter. Tyszu was a great win, but Tyszu was also ageing. Castillo was a good win, but again he was ageing.
I see wins over Pascal, Dirrell and Taylor being just as impressive as anything Hatton did at 140, maybe with exception of Tszyu.
I think Froch's resume stands up nicely alongside it, and i think it will better it if he was to beat Abraham.
You could say, he was a few seconds away from losing to Taylor and got a very lucky (imo) decision against Dirrell. Depends how you look at it
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He needs to win the super 6 to make it in.
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After Pascal beat Dawson, it had me thinking about Froch...
He's beaten Dirrell, Pascal and he knocked out Taylor. He ran Kessler pretty close in Denmark - infact i had it very close, only to be told i was wrong, oddly enough, even by people who'd only watched it on a stream. ;D
That's besides the point. IF Froch beats Abraham, where does that leave him? Talent wise, he'd be nowhere near, but you can't argue with his record (If he beats Abraham).
Would anybody have him anywhere near their top 10?
I only watched it on a shitty stream and I had Froch winning :p.
If he had actually beat Kessler and then went on to beat Abraham you could probably make a case for him, but he got a huge gift against Dirrell and I think Abraham has lost some of his luster after the Dirrell fight so beating him alone won't do it. If he makes the finals you could maybe make an argument for him, depending on who he beat and how impressive it was. I think he's a long ways away though.
I think he has a good shot at beating Abraham though, I think that's pretty much a 50/50 fight.
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How can you be top 10, when you're not even top 3 at 168 lbs?
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After Pascal beat Dawson, it had me thinking about Froch...
He's beaten Dirrell, Pascal and he knocked out Taylor. He ran Kessler pretty close in Denmark - infact i had it very close, only to be told i was wrong, oddly enough, even by people who'd only watched it on a stream. ;D
That's besides the point. IF Froch beats Abraham, where does that leave him? Talent wise, he'd be nowhere near, but you can't argue with his record (If he beats Abraham).
Would anybody have him anywhere near their top 10?
Well by the record books he would be close to top 10, but IMO he wouldn't. Because he handily lost to Andre Dirrell, and although he gave Mikkel Kessler a tough fight he still lost clearly by atleast 2 or 3 rounds.
His wins over Jermain Taylor, Jean Pascal, are impressive but i think Jean Pascal would win a rematch. As i feel he has improved quite a bit since fighting Carl Froch.
But put it this way in Carl Froch's last 4 fights he lost atleast 30 rounds, i just don't see how you can be near top 10 P4P losing that many rounds, because you have to take into a fact how a fighter wins.
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Wladimir Klitschko has accomplished a hell of a lot more than Froch and he's just getting into the bottom of the rankings right now, IMO the only way that Froch gets into any P4P list is by winning the Super Six, and we know that ain't happening, but if by some freak chance he was to win, he'd barely scrape the bottom
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How can people still think Froch got a gift against Dirrell? There was only one boxer in the ring that night and it sure as hell wasn't Dirrell! That result shouldn't even be up for discussion.
Same goes for the Kessler fight, was close, but Froch didn't win.
If he wins the super 6, then beats the number one guy in his div, then he'll be knocking on the door.
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How can people still think Froch got a gift against Dirrell? There was only one boxer in the ring that night and it sure as hell wasn't Dirrell! That result shouldn't even be up for discussion.
Same goes for the Kessler fight, was close, but Froch didn't win.
If he wins the super 6, then beats the number one guy in his div, then he'll be knocking on the door.
are you kidding me? lmao Dirrell was the only one doing any BOXING, Froch just landed low blows and repeated shots to the back of Dirrell's head, add in the ONLY guy hurt in that fight was Froch, it was a clear win for Dirrell
