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The fighters moving through the weights and being successful usually special gifted fighters with a variety of attributes, speed power skill
are there any fighters who relied on pressure who have been able to move through the weights, won a world title at one weight and moved up to win another
one example in another thread is hatton, he wasnt at his best at welterweight but he did win a title of a sort
any more?
Duran?
I thought I was generalising when I said that & now you use it in this thread ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Like I said in the other thread, Henry Armstrong is the greatest example, he really was the complete pressure fighter. To be fair, I've just thought that Jeff Fenech is a good example, as he went up through the weights early in his career.
Duran is often called a pressure fighter, but for my money he tended to box his way in & out. I think how great he was on the inside leads people to label him a pressure fighter, but for my money he used far more of his defensive skills & his excellent jab, particularly once he got above Lightweight. His tactics more generally depended on the opponet & I think a lot of people look at the 1st Leonard fight & categorize him as a brawler or pressure fighter. From the footage I've seen of him, a similar thing takes place with regard to Harry Greb, who used similar in & out movement to burst in with flurries, but still boxed his way in.
It's hard to say Hatton was really successful as he got stopped by Mayweather & in his only other fight at the weight struggled badly with Luis Collazo, although I had him nicking it by a point.
Trinidad (147, 154, 160), Cotto (140,147, 154), Chavez (130, 135, 140), and Mayorga (147 & 154) are all examples
Nigel Benn.
Floyd Patterson 175-Heavyweight , Carmen Basilio 147-160, Jose Torres 160-175...the best I can think of, maybe Arturo Gatti?
Gatti though won his title at 140 due to improved boxing skills, and stepping away slightly from his coming forward style
James Toney ;D
Yeah he wasn't your typical pressure fighter but he was always coming forward while constantly putting on weight.
Henry Armstrong
I'm thinking not so hugly boxer sorts, went for exchanges or stayed in one style? Vinny Paz ? Maybe um... Holyfield ? Thought I'd never put those two in same sentence :-X . Iran Barkley.
Pacquiao, although perhaps not a total pressure fighter, doesn't have a style that you would think lends to success moving up in weight. The way he has retained handspeed and KO power is really quite incredible imo, hard to think of a better example.
i still think its a generalisation, i think anyone moving through weights and winning world titles has to be more than a pressure fighter, having just pressure can never be enough unless you are one hard bastardQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI thought I was generalising when I said that & now you use it in this thread ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Like I said in the other thread, Henry Armstrong is the greatest example, he really was the complete pressure fighter. To be fair, I've just thought that Jeff Fenech is a good example, as he went up through the weights early in his career.
Duran is often called a pressure fighter, but for my money he tended to box his way in & out. I think how great he was on the inside leads people to label him a pressure fighter, but for my money he used far more of his defensive skills & his excellent jab, particularly once he got above Lightweight. His tactics more generally depended on the opponet & I think a lot of people look at the 1st Leonard fight & categorize him as a brawler or pressure fighter. From the footage I've seen of him, a similar thing takes place with regard to Harry Greb, who used similar in & out movement to burst in with flurries, but still boxed his way in.
It's hard to say Hatton was really successful as he got stopped by Mayweather & in his only other fight at the weight struggled badly with Luis Collazo, although I had him nicking it by a point.
but i think people known as just pressure fighters have moved through the weights
hatton was known this way but he wasnt just a pressure fighter, he had power and could box, he outbox malinaggi which isnt bad going for someone without those skills