Margarito-Pac - Is breeze blocks being underestimated?

I've noticed a lot of people writing this fight off as a "gimme" for Pac. This has surprised me a bit.

If you forgive breeze blocks one bad night against Mosley, when quite frankly he shouldn't have been allowed to enter the ring considering he was mentally destroyed literally minutes before the contest, then he is a big bad dangerous welterweight (151lber).

You should forgive anyone one bad outing. He's had a comeback to blow off the cobwebs and has absolutely NOTHING to lose. He will always be regarded as a dirty cheat, but as boxing is a disgusting business, where just about anything goes, he's been put in a GREAT position.

He has the ability/size to put Pac under the cosh, no? Is he really a 5/1 dog? I'm not so sure....Thoughts?

I rewatched his fight with Cotto last week. I definitely think he's being under-estimated. The way he cut off the ring was awesome. Don't know how much cement he was packing then though so it's hard to tell if he can reproduce that sort of form.

He's more dangerous than Hatton, De La Hoya and Cotto imo.

the thing is it hasn't been one off night, he got wrecked against Mosley then looked like shit against a journeyman (at best) in his last fight, IMO the only way his ass was effective was if he was packing, i don't really thing he brings anything new to the table in terms of what Pacquiao has faced, the main reason i (as well as almost everyone else) feel that Mayweather would whip Pacquiao because he's like no other opponent he's faced, awesome defense quick feet, quick hands and underrated power, if Margarito wasn't as slow as molasses and didn't just plod forward well then maybe more would be giving him a chance, but IMO it's just gonna be a repeat of what Mosley did to him

is that katy perry?

drooolz

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I've noticed a lot of people writing this fight off as a "gimme" for Pac. This has surprised me a bit.

If you forgive breeze blocks one bad night against Mosley, when quite frankly he shouldn't have been allowed to enter the ring considering he was mentally destroyed literally minutes before the contest, then he is a big bad dangerous welterweight (151lber).

You should forgive anyone one bad outing. He's had a comeback to blow off the cobwebs and has absolutely NOTHING to lose. He will always be regarded as a dirty cheat, but as boxing is a disgusting business, where just about anything goes, he's been put in a GREAT position.

He has the ability/size to put Pac under the cosh, no? Is he really a 5/1 dog? I'm not so sure....Thoughts?

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Margarito has two chances SLIM and NONE....and SLIM just left town :o

I fear for Margarito's health in this fight. He hasn't got a hope in winning, he really hasn't. The thing that worries me in this fight is that Margarito has a great chin and will be pumped up to prove the doubters wrong but he is slow, one paced, doesn't move head and is not huge puncher. So he will just be plodding in and plodding in and pac-man will just be circling him, bombing him and pounding him non stop. I can see a career ending beating for Margarito. I don't think Pac-Man will knock him out...I don't even think he will knock him down. I think either the corner will pull Margarito out or the ref will stop it.

Agrees with above.

Too. Damn. Fast.

Margarito, much as I like him, will get shredded.

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

Can't see Margarito winning either. It seems his style was made for Pac to do whatever he wants.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I've noticed a lot of people writing this fight off as a "gimme" for Pac. This has surprised me a bit.

If you forgive breeze blocks one bad night against Mosley, when quite frankly he shouldn't have been allowed to enter the ring considering he was mentally destroyed literally minutes before the contest, then he is a big bad dangerous welterweight (151lber).

You should forgive anyone one bad outing. He's had a comeback to blow off the cobwebs and has absolutely NOTHING to lose. He will always be regarded as a dirty cheat, but as boxing is a disgusting business, where just about anything goes, he's been put in a GREAT position.

He has the ability/size to put Pac under the cosh, no? Is he really a 5/1 dog? I'm not so sure....Thoughts?

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I completely agree. I think Pac should be favored because he is that much faster and more skilled, but no way is Margarito a 5-1 dog. No way. This is a tougher matchup than Clottey, Hatton, or Cotto. He will come in something like 20 pounds more than Pacquiao probably.

All you need to do is watch the first round of this fight(starts at 8 minutes) before you think Margarito has a shot. This was years ago when he was younger and hungrier and not as worn.

Same style, see how easily Lujan gets in and lands his shot even when he throws them super wide and not even as in a straight like as pacquiao does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmYbwVTPFws


I don't know how anyone thinks Margarito has a chance against a harder hitting and faster fighter in Pacquiao. He gives up his height way too much for this to be competitive, if the blueprint to beat him was the Mosley fight, this fight shows how easily Pacquiao will get in and out on him.

Fenster, I've actually thought about this, thinking that Margo mentally must have been way out of it after all that shit going down before the Mosley fight. But, that being said, I can't come to any other conclusion, harsh as it may seem, that Margo has been loading for ages and has puff in his punches. You can't be blowing Sebastien Lujan's ear off one minute and then struggling to make much of a dent in his latest outing against Garcia after youv'e been caught trying to use loaded wraps the fight before.

Puff in his punches won't harm Pacquiao I wouldn't say, and Margo is probably in for some kind of De La Hoya type beating, I'd hazard a guess he'll be completely bewildered by the Pacman for as long as the fight lasts. Maybe 9 - 10 rounds.

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

is that katy perry?

drooolz

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Kat is a 'lil chunky... bigger boobies.

Pac hasn't faced a naturally bigger & free swinging non retreating Neanderthal like Margarito. Speed wise its night and day but Margarito brings that natural and current size and range which Manny has not met. I give Clottey size but a hollow chest....Cotto the skill but weight bs and was off two bruising cutting wars . Biggest question is psychological for Margarito off wrap gate and tko to Mosley. He's not new to taking punishment and even being on the floor so I dont think it will phase Tony as much physically. He's always been hit,not news. Mosley was battle tested at weight and bigger then Pac, using Mayorga as a Margarito doppleganger going in. Now has the Pandora's box on his vaunted chin been opened by Shane...remains to be seen. Manny will have to fight one of the most complete fights,in and out as he has to punch in between the volleys. I favor Manny on speed,speed kills and ...but this is not a gimme and he will be hit often like he has not been by a foe not going back wards. Could be brutal as first to back straight will surely have the other atop his chest taking advantage.

I agree with all the reasons why Pac should win comfortably. I also agree the loaded gloves could have been a factor in previous fights but that is not 100% certain.

However, just two fights ago when Margarito had finished smashing Cotto to bits, the idea Pacquiao could have been an opponent for him would have been totally ridiculed. Of course Pac has been a revelation in that time.

But, again, forgive one bad night (I wouldn't read too much into the comeback fight, the fact it went ten rounds is a bonus) and surely Margarito would be considered the most dangerous opponent Pacquiao has ever faced?

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Well if you take a look at boxing history, there has never been a fighter after getting his ass whipped like that in the Mosley fight to come back and beat an elite fighter like Pac.

In fact I'm pretty sure I'm correct when I say that Margarito is a ruined fighter or close to being one. A beating in the Shane Mosley fight takes years off from a fighter.

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This sounds perfectly understandable but name some fighters you mean? I'd like to take a look at it.