love some thoughts on this vid....

this is more mma geared than true boxing but want some opinions, start watching around the 1:30 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1TQk3HGqaw

I watched the part where he's demonstrating how to move at angles while keeping his distance.

I thought what he said made sense - ie not crossing your feet over and pushing off the driving foot.

When it actually went down and showed his feet i thought he look a little flat footed on his front leg though? Anyone else see that / get that impression?

I haven't watched much farther in the vid than that - is that the bit you were looking for an opinion on Iceman?

Not the worst vid i've ever seen for sure! :)

i've trained with him, this is actually from a camp i was at, and he may have dropped his weight but trust me he stays with his weight on the balls of his feet, very smooth mover and very interesting guy, all about the movement . he is also very funny when he talks about guys falling in love with their power.

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Originally Posted by iceman

i've trained with him, this is actually from a camp i was at, and he may have dropped his weight but trust me he stays with his weight on the balls of his feet, very smooth mover and very interesting guy, all about the movement . he is also very funny when he talks about guys falling in love with their power.

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Thinking about it I might be under the impression of a slight optical illusion anyway since he takes small steps with his lead foot. Maybe he isn't flat footed at all - especially since I am the one talking and it seems like i tend to put too much weight on my back foot maybe.

Interesting Iceman. Thanks for putting the vid up. So are you in it? Game enough to fess up to which one you are? :) :o Will watch the whole vid later as it does seem interesting. :)

nope not in this one, i am scattered around the internet and some of the video from this session has me in it, but i couldn't say where i am unless i watched a play by play thing...

I agree with what sharla said, it seems like hes on the front foot too much during the right, the right hand he throws would be a lot better for it being from the back foot because its sloppy as he throws it there on the front and it will be when your dropping onto your front leg with a right anyway, nevermind when your moving your driving foot simultaniousley lol.

It seems like an ok movement to be honest, not brilliant though. the leading jab wasnt bad but the right was terrible, even if only to serve as a decoy punch, which is all it can serve for. the better results in this series of movements i would say would come from most of the weight being on the back foot as sharla said, but you will sacrifice some mobility for the stronger right hand this variation will produce while ever your throwing a right hand moving the lead foot forward at the same time you sacrifice mobility . rather than being on the front foot like he tends to prefer, moving the back foot in as he throws the right hand resulting in a major loss of power and speed in the shot through lack of drive, i wouldnt do it like this either, a good boxer would make a mess of you coming in with such a weak lead as this.

keeping the weight on the back foot allowing drive with the back foot for the right hand for a better shot while sneaking that lead foot forward just a tad for the pivot after the right would be an alternative way to do this movement and probably the way i would choose to do it after being well set up to try and cover the weaknesses it would leave you with.

I could imagine its useful in MMA where boxing might not be a brilliant standard but in boxing i dont think it would cut it, if your leading on a boxer with a 1-2 like this either way it leaves weakness and a good boxer could/will expose them either way you do it, its like leaving it to chance, just hoping your oppenent wont be good enough to expose the movement, fuck that ;D

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Originally Posted by WayneFlint

I agree with what sharla said, it seems like hes on the front foot too much during the right, the right hand he throws would be a lot better for it being from the back foot because its sloppy as he throws it there on the front and it will be when your dropping onto your front leg with a right anyway, nevermind when your moving your driving foot simultaniousley lol.

It seems like an ok movement to be honest, not brilliant though. the leading jab wasnt bad but the right was terrible, even if only to serve as a decoy punch, which is all it can serve for. the better results in this series of movements i would say would come from most of the weight being on the back foot as sharla said, but you will sacrifice some mobility for the stronger right hand this variation will produce while ever your throwing a right hand moving the lead foot forward at the same time you sacrifice mobility . rather than being on the front foot like he tends to prefer, moving the back foot in as he throws the right hand resulting in a major loss of power and speed in the shot through lack of drive, i wouldnt do it like this either, a good boxer would make a mess of you coming in with such a weak lead as this.

keeping the weight on the back foot allowing drive with the back foot for the right hand for a better shot while sneaking that lead foot forward just a tad for the pivot after the right would be an alternative way to do this movement and probably the way i would choose to do it after being well set up to try and cover the weaknesses it would leave you with.

I could imagine its useful in MMA where boxing might not be a brilliant standard but in boxing i dont think it would cut it, if your leading on a boxer with a 1-2 like this either way it leaves weakness and a good boxer could/will expose them either way you do it, its like leaving it to chance, just hoping your oppenent wont be good enough to expose the movement, fuck that ;D

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You just gave me so much more to think about there! I'm going to have to watch it again .......

One comment on the weight - are you proposing having the weight more on the back foot than the front foot or just more than he demonstates?

I've always considered an even distribution of weight over both feet as ideal as much as possible but i'm willing to rethink the idea if i can get my head around when it should be otherwise ....

i would think that a fairly balanced distribution would be best, too much either way and you get stuck...no? just my thought

This is exactly how I move.

One foot is always in contact with the floor, you never "skip"

As long as one foot is in contact you are ready to deliver a punch

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Originally Posted by WayneFlint

I agree with what sharla said, it seems like hes on the front foot too much during the right, the right hand he throws would be a lot better for it being from the back foot because its sloppy as he throws it there on the front and it will be when your dropping onto your front leg with a right anyway, nevermind when your moving your driving foot simultaniousley lol.

It seems like an ok movement to be honest, not brilliant though. the leading jab wasnt bad but the right was terrible, even if only to serve as a decoy punch, which is all it can serve for. the better results in this series of movements i would say would come from most of the weight being on the back foot as sharla said, but you will sacrifice some mobility for the stronger right hand this variation will produce while ever your throwing a right hand moving the lead foot forward at the same time you sacrifice mobility . rather than being on the front foot like he tends to prefer, moving the back foot in as he throws the right hand resulting in a major loss of power and speed in the shot through lack of drive, i wouldnt do it like this either, a good boxer would make a mess of you coming in with such a weak lead as this.

keeping the weight on the back foot allowing drive with the back foot for the right hand for a better shot while sneaking that lead foot forward just a tad for the pivot after the right would be an alternative way to do this movement and probably the way i would choose to do it after being well set up to try and cover the weaknesses it would leave you with.

I could imagine its useful in MMA where boxing might not be a brilliant standard but in boxing i dont think it would cut it, if your leading on a boxer with a 1-2 like this either way it leaves weakness and a good boxer could/will expose them either way you do it, its like leaving it to chance, just hoping your oppenent wont be good enough to expose the movement, fuck that ;D

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You just gave me so much more to think about there! I'm going to have to watch it again .......

One comment on the weight - are you proposing having the weight more on the back foot than the front foot or just more than he demonstates?

I've always considered an even distribution of weight over both feet as ideal as much as possible but i'm willing to rethink the idea if i can get my head around when it should be otherwise ....

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I would say just not as much on the front foot as he is sharla, i would say and this is just me) a little too much on the back foot at times is better than being too much on the front foot and in the movements used here are all are much better off too much on the back foot rather than on the front, but idealy we aim for 50/50 however tendancies while punching, moving etc seem to put us on the front, so i find if sometimes i want to make sure everything is right for a certain shot or movement ill lean more towards the rear foot just to make sure/compensate for what i know may naturally happen. and if people struggle to grasp the biomechanics involved in punching with good economy of movement sometimes it gets the message across without them having to understand the big picture by just saying keep most weight on the back foot, if you get me? its seemed to work like this with a few lads for me because at the times when you will usually just be too much on the front you, you will now be even or slightly on the back. iceman i dont see how you can get stuck having too much weight on your back foot? maybe you could explain the directions/movements or punches that might be lost due to being overly on the back foot?

Of course good posture is somthing you hear scrap hint on here and there and this is a huge part of stopping whats known as reaching while punching or being on the front foot too much, there are some other very important things hes mentioned on the forums a few times and with a few of these things alone will make for a nasty punch that keeps you nicely distributed rather than ending up on the front foot or a nice controlled step lifrting the front foot and pushing off with the back to move forward, its all aimed at keeping you evenly distributed when your stepping forward in a walking fasion your head bobs forward and backward, weight distribution is all over the place and your head isnt supported/cradled by the body like it should be and thats why we lift and push to walk as fighters. Now that we know and understand the benefits of posture and how/why it gives those benefits (basically helps stop uneven distribution which is more often to the front foot than to the back aswell as supporting the head) you can take the principles behind how good posture works and start to apply them to bad posture movements to learn through body placement how to increase balance in those movements when you break posture. if only someone could find somthing that could tell you when weight is distributed more to one side than the other.. oh yeh somebody already has ;D

Please excuse if im not clear sharla its just i dont want to give too much away on forums however scrap has allready posted up videos of the wobble board so i dont think hell mind me explaining a bit more about it as its my favourite pro receptive drill for boxing. i just think people totally didnt get the point when he posted tbh which a shame as its fairly simple really. balance/weight distribution.