David Haye has a lot of potential. What was his best win to date as a professional?
* Mistakenly, picked Ruiz, meant Valuev.
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David Haye has a lot of potential. What was his best win to date as a professional?
* Mistakenly, picked Ruiz, meant Valuev.
Nikolay Valuev without a doubt.
Before fighting Haye:
Ruiz - recently lost to Valuev and Chagaev, beat McCline.
Valuev - only lost to Haye, disputed win over Holyfield
Barrett - recently beat Tye Fields, Cliff Couser, lost to Rahman, Couser, Valuev
Enzo Mac - beat Braithwaite and Azzoui.
Mormeck - beat Virgil and Bell, lost to Bell.
Bonin - beat really no one, lost to Audley Harrison
Fragommeni - undefeated, beat no one of note,
Valuev definatley. It was his defining fight.
Valeuv was his defining fight and impressive visually because of the size difference, but it was in reality a nothing win imo.
Having seen most of Valuev's fights, the only time he ever looked impressive was in beatin Sergiei Lyakovich, a top 20 heavyweight.
Ruiz hands down beat Valuev the first time they fought, Evander Holyfield beat him in the opinion of most. Larry Donald beat him in the opinion of many, Ruslan Chagaev beat him and got the decision.
So in reality beating a guy who lost to Larry Donald, John Ruiz, Ruslan Chagaev and an ancient Evander Holyfield is not much of a defining in imo.
I Don't believe Valuev has ever been a legitimate top 10 heavyweight. There are a bunch of guys out there who could beat, some of them at cruiser and even light heavy.
I guess Mormeck was his most credible win, it got him the undisputed cruiserweight crown and title of ring champ at the weight.
But I don't think Haye has beaten anybody that Solis, Adamek, Chambers, Povetkin or even Carl Thompson would have failed to beat.
Mormeck. Valuev was and is shit, and the way Haye fought him bordered on embarrassing.
Agreed. Valuev is utter crap, I have no idea why Haye didn't open up more against him, it's not like the freakshow can punch. I seriously am not positive he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a 12 round fight. How would Valuev actually win? I might be stretching this a liiiitle but have no doubt there are all kinds of fighters who could have beaten him weighing well under 200 lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I have posted this many times. I can't see anything other than a 12 round UD with Manny sweeping every round. It would be a case of Valuev standing in the centre of the ring reaching left then right like a giant school kid whilst some bullies throw his schoolbag over his head to each other, or more accurately in this analogy under his legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingAgreed. Valuev is utter crap, I have no idea why Haye didn't open up more against him, it's not like the freakshow can punch. I seriously am not positive he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a 12 round fight. How would Valuev actually win? I might be stretching this a liiiitle but have no doubt there are all kinds of fighters who could have beaten him weighing well under 200 lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Lol. Valuev/Pacquiao would look like a dad slapping his son. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I know Manny can run around Valuev for some rounds, but WTF if it was for running then put Usain Bolt not Pacquiao. ;D;D;D
Haye could have stopped him within a couple of rounds if he had actually opened up. The one time he connected solidly he hurt Valuev badly. That would have made a fucking real statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingAgreed. Valuev is utter crap, I have no idea why Haye didn't open up more against him, it's not like the freakshow can punch. I seriously am not positive he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a 12 round fight. How would Valuev actually win? I might be stretching this a liiiitle but have no doubt there are all kinds of fighters who could have beaten him weighing well under 200 lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Manny Pacquiao would ruin Valuev.
Haha, glad someone actually agrees with me. I can't think of a more useless fighter to ever achieve notoriety like Valuev had. He's the only fighter in history I would actually make an underdog against men literally half his size. It's sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI have posted this many times. I can't see anything other than a 12 round UD with Manny sweeping every round. It would be a case of Valuev standing in the centre of the ring reaching left then right like a giant school kid whilst some bullies throw his schoolbag over his head to each other, or more accurately in this analogy under his legs.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingAgreed. Valuev is utter crap, I have no idea why Haye didn't open up more against him, it's not like the freakshow can punch. I seriously am not positive he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a 12 round fight. How would Valuev actually win? I might be stretching this a liiiitle but have no doubt there are all kinds of fighters who could have beaten him weighing well under 200 lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Going into Mormeck's back yard and stopping him is Haye's best win for me. Can't think of many others
You guys do realize that Chagaev beat Valuev before the WBA title holder fought him right?
Maccarinelli was his biggest win ;D
Mormeck, in Paris on a Don King show, he needed the knock out and got it to unify the decision.
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Originally Posted by p4pkingAgreed. Valuev is utter crap, I have no idea why Haye didn't open up more against him, it's not like the freakshow can punch. I seriously am not positive he could beat Manny Pacquiao in a 12 round fight. How would Valuev actually win? I might be stretching this a liiiitle but have no doubt there are all kinds of fighters who could have beaten him weighing well under 200 lbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Third that ;D
Mormeck was a fantastic peformance.
Got off the floor to get the stoppage.
Even the Fragommeni fight was better than the Valuev one.
Haye had a bad cut and it was pretty level till he battered him.
Cracking atmosphere that night in London too.