Do you believe that Antonio Margarito only attempted to use loaded wraps for the Shane Mosley fight? Do you think he had used them before that fight or at multiple occasions during his career?
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Do you believe that Antonio Margarito only attempted to use loaded wraps for the Shane Mosley fight? Do you think he had used them before that fight or at multiple occasions during his career?
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im not sure its certainly posible
Mosely isnt exactly innocent of cheating himself tho :)
Fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
All I will point to with Margarito is his record since he was caught cheating 1-2 with 0 Knockouts.
Also since the BALCO scandal broke in 2002 Mosley's record ain't all that geat either, though Shane has gotten older anyway so it's kind of harder to determine how much roids helped him.
I truly hope the allegations are not true. I saw Magarito fight when he was 18 years old, against Alfred Ankamah at the Forum in LA, and was very impressed by his toughness. Ankamah- who was 14-2, 14KOs at the time- hit him a terrific shot to the liver and Magarito dropped; it was the kind of shot that ends fights. But he got up and kod Ankamah in the next round. He has never been the most skilled fighter, and if I stood up right now and threw a few punches, at least one is likely to hit him, but Magarito has always been very strong, tough and determined.
About the wraps... I'm not too clear on how that would work in the first place; I just can't picture how you could, in essence, put casts on a guys hands, have them harden in time for the fight, and then put gloves on over them. Also, wouldn't his arms get awfully heavy as the fight progressed? And Magarito didn't knock out too many guys early- in fact he tended to come on late. Did he, in theory, do this in every fight? How come he didn't stop Williams, then? He hit him with some really clean right hands...
In the Cotto fight, I thought Magarito would be too big and strong for Cotto and would stop him late anyway. Cotto didn't take punches all that well against Torres and his punch is the left hook to the body which means he's going to exchanging punches with a bigger stronger guy. I didn't see anything unexpected happen in that fight.
The Cotto fight is used as evidence to say to say we think so, but there isn't enough fight evidence after Cotto to prove it either. I can't really say he did or didn't. Let him fight Martinez and Paul Williams again.
For me he used them vs Cotto. Cotto's face was worsening with each punch!
As for evidence of that, all we have are pictures....Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
http://www.boxingrepublic.com/wp-con...-Margarito.jpg
...after the Cotto fight.
You can see (unless you're blind or a fanboy) that something is obviously wrong with his wraps...now if you're the NSAC and you just "allowed" a fighter to use loaded wraps and didn't do anything about it, then you'd better cover your ass and deny everything and lose any evidence that might say otherwise, which is precisely what happened.
Maybe the athletic commissions can require all fight gloves and wraps be removed in the ring for inspection after the fights. Not really a time consuming task, many fighters do it anyway so I don't see why anyone would object to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAs for evidence of that, all we have are pictures....Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
http://www.boxingrepublic.com/wp-con...-Margarito.jpg
...after the Cotto fight.
You can see (unless you're blind or a fanboy) that something is obviously wrong with his wraps...now if you're the NSAC and you just "allowed" a fighter to use loaded wraps and didn't do anything about it, then you'd better cover your ass and deny everything and lose any evidence that might say otherwise, which is precisely what happened.
Very true, but that would involve proper oversight, non-smarmy people, and common sense and well, this is boxingQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
They do inspect them right after the fight. Not thoroughly though.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyMaybe the athletic commissions can require all fight gloves and wraps be removed in the ring for inspection after the fights. Not really a time consuming task, many fighters do it anyway so I don't see why anyone would object to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAs for evidence of that, all we have are pictures....Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
http://www.boxingrepublic.com/wp-con...-Margarito.jpg
...after the Cotto fight.
You can see (unless you're blind or a fanboy) that something is obviously wrong with his wraps...now if you're the NSAC and you just "allowed" a fighter to use loaded wraps and didn't do anything about it, then you'd better cover your ass and deny everything and lose any evidence that might say otherwise, which is precisely what happened.
Ah.. no they don't! I've seen many a fighter leave the ring and others doing interviews with the wraps on and they never get inspected. So I highly doubt it is in the rule books. The wraps are inspected and signed inspected before the fight not after.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::They do inspect them right after the fight. Not thoroughly though.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyMaybe the athletic commissions can require all fight gloves and wraps be removed in the ring for inspection after the fights. Not really a time consuming task, many fighters do it anyway so I don't see why anyone would object to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAs for evidence of that, all we have are pictures....Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
http://www.boxingrepublic.com/wp-con...-Margarito.jpg
...after the Cotto fight.
You can see (unless you're blind or a fanboy) that something is obviously wrong with his wraps...now if you're the NSAC and you just "allowed" a fighter to use loaded wraps and didn't do anything about it, then you'd better cover your ass and deny everything and lose any evidence that might say otherwise, which is precisely what happened.
I don't think it's mandatory for the commisioner guys to check the gloves after the fight. But I've seen some of them eyeballs the removing of gloves. Check out last Pacquiao's or the Donaire fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyAh.. no they don't! I've seen many a fighter leave the ring and others doing interviews with the wraps on and they never get inspected. So I highly doubt it is in the rule books. The wraps are inspected and signed inspected before the fight not after.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::They do inspect them right after the fight. Not thoroughly though.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyMaybe the athletic commissions can require all fight gloves and wraps be removed in the ring for inspection after the fights. Not really a time consuming task, many fighters do it anyway so I don't see why anyone would object to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAs for evidence of that, all we have are pictures....Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
http://www.boxingrepublic.com/wp-con...-Margarito.jpg
...after the Cotto fight.
You can see (unless you're blind or a fanboy) that something is obviously wrong with his wraps...now if you're the NSAC and you just "allowed" a fighter to use loaded wraps and didn't do anything about it, then you'd better cover your ass and deny everything and lose any evidence that might say otherwise, which is precisely what happened.
You might be right about an inspection, but its more likely the responsibility would then be with sanctioning body rather than the commission. For the sanctioning body, there is no accountability if they fuk it up. For the commission to fuk up, it's a whole different thing. If it is in the rules and the responsibility is with the commission then the wraps and gloves condition would be kept in a log or something like it and we would have known if Margarito's wraps were loaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::I don't think it's mandatory for the commisioner guys to check the gloves after the fight. But I've seen some of them eyeballs the removing of gloves. Check out last Pacquiao's or the Donaire fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyAh.. no they don't! I've seen many a fighter leave the ring and others doing interviews with the wraps on and they never get inspected. So I highly doubt it is in the rule books. The wraps are inspected and signed inspected before the fight not after.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::They do inspect them right after the fight. Not thoroughly though.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyMaybe the athletic commissions can require all fight gloves and wraps be removed in the ring for inspection after the fights. Not really a time consuming task, many fighters do it anyway so I don't see why anyone would object to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongAs for evidence of that, all we have are pictures....Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
...after the Cotto fight.
You can see (unless you're blind or a fanboy) that something is obviously wrong with his wraps...now if you're the NSAC and you just "allowed" a fighter to use loaded wraps and didn't do anything about it, then you'd better cover your ass and deny everything and lose any evidence that might say otherwise, which is precisely what happened.
You cannot trust officials some of them do not know what they are doing. Cotto's people should have made sure Marg gloves were not loaded, but as Pac Man said, Marg cannot say he never knew.
Like I just said in the other thread. It's very unlikely that after 42 fights and having just being in with a 32-0 Cotto, that he would decide that a 38 year old Mosely would be the first fight that he decided to and felt the need to tamper with his wraps, I mean 'come on' !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong