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Hey guys, i'm a newbee here, but i'm a longtime boxing fan, i'd like to make a few new boxing buds here, and shoot the shit about boxing and upcoming fights.
I hope i'm doing this right: :cool:
Berto vs. Ortiz on HBO saturday, Berto is likely the favorite, but do you think Ortiz has a shot at winning?
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I honestly think Berto is going to win pretty easily. I'm looking at a mid-round stoppage. His handspeed is going to bother Ortiz from the start and won't be able to adjust to it.
Thanks for the welcome C-lo, I should fit right in on this boxing forum, it's not my first rodeo.
In re: Berto's handspeed and power, it figures that they will be too much for Ortiz, but we shall see, Berto still hasn't fought many top ranked fighters.
BTW, Berto doesn't seem to get a lot of love from the boxing community, I imagine Ortiz will have his share fans for this fight, hoping he flattens Berto.
Welcome!! I think this fight could go either way. I do question Ortiz's heart still, and if the going gets tough i'm not sure how he will respond. It should be a very competitive fight, too close to call for me.
Ortiz has a decent shot I think, berto got dropped by a part time fighter/full time fireman in his "gift" title fight. Sure we can question ortiz's heart due to the maidana fiasco, but no hating on ortiz here for that, I think he showed plenty heart by being willing to get up three times. I'm not one of those guys that wants to see a fighter go out on their shield, they know their body better than any of us know it.
Berto will get educated by Ortiz whether he wins or loses. Whenever he fights a boxer-puncher, his flaws always come to the surface. Berto is way too zealous in his offensive and leaves himself open and I see Victor exploiting that with his durability and counter punching. No doubt though, it's going to be anyone's game.
And welcome to Saddo, bro.
Both of these guys seem to be absolute destroyers...if you can't fight and elect to stand right in front of them and let them whale away at you. Neither shows much class, all straight lines and chins in the air, winging away. Berto/Collazo was just terrible.
That said, it should be a very exciting fight while it lasts.
If this is the top in the 147 division, Armando Muniz should make a comeback. He can't be much more than 63.
I actually think this is a great fight. Neither guy will get the plaudits should they win, but they deserve it. I fancy Berto to take it although he won't get the credit. Aside from Floyd & Manny, there aren't many opponents you could say are significantly better.
I hope Ortiz does a number on him, but it is a step up and might be too much of an ask. Ortiz is young and hasn't really found his niche, that niche might not be at the top though. I hope he does it in this fight though, I just worry about his heart. He quit FAR too easily against Maidana.
I was struck by how small Ortiz looks, even at 140.
That will be the Victor Ortiz who came into the ring at 157lbs against Lamont Peterson :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Didn't see that fight!;D
I agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Thank the Lord! I was beginning to think I was by myself on this one. Ortiz hasn't shown me anything to suggest he will be competitive for this one. Plus, he'll be moving up in weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Ortiz didn't look too good in the Lamont Peterson fight, (a draw I believe) he's going to have to look a hell of a lot better against Berto if he expects to get a 'W'. I'd like to think that Ortiz brings his 'A' game for this fight, but if not, and he loses, he's going to fall into perennial contender and/or journeyman status. This is actually a big fight for both pugs.