Why did Mosley get t weigh all the way up to 147lbs but Pac made Cotto come in at 145
Hey guys just a kwik question, when Pac fought Cotto for the WW title Cotto had to come in at a catch weight of 145lbs. But when Pac defended the very title he won from Cotto and defended it against Shane yesterday, Shane was allowed to come in at the WW weight limit of 147.
Just wondering if anyone knows why that would be? Did Shane push negotiations for himself to be able to come in at 147? Did Pac fear Cotto at 147 but did not fear an older Mosley coming in at 147? Or was it because it was Pac's first fight against a legit WW (against Cotto) hence why he made Cotto come in a bit lighter to test the waters?
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147 againts Dela Hoya. DLH was the Boss and he wants 147.
145 againts Cotto. 1st fight at 147 with the negotiating muscle. Cotto is younger and bigger than Pacquiao. so Team Pac demanded 145 for precaution measures. IDIOT Move by Team Pacquiao :p
147 againts Clottey
147 againts Mosley
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they were fighting at welterweight. He could come in any weight he wanted as long as it was not over 147
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Simply because Manny was new to the weight and I guess his team were worried about overreaching. They wanted to be sure he was really capable of fighting at welterweight first.
He adapted so well it wasnt a problem and his future fights since have all been at 147 or above.
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Themantonio
Hey guys just a kwik question, when Pac fought Cotto for the WW title Cotto had to come in at a catch weight of 145lbs. But when Pac defended the very title he won from Cotto and defended it against Shane yesterday, Shane was allowed to come in at the WW weight limit of 147.
Just wondering if anyone knows why that would be? Did Shane push negotiations for himself to be able to come in at 147? Did Pac fear Cotto at 147 but did not fear an older Mosley coming in at 147? Or was it because it was Pac's first fight against a legit WW (against Cotto) hence why he made Cotto come in a bit lighter to test the waters?
Interesting question
Oscar had not made 147 in close to ten years. That fight is a write off. Dude weighs in at 145 and gains 2 pounds by fight night. Lets be honest. He was a grape left on the door step in the mid day sun.
He had Cotto come to 145 when it was he who was challenging the man for his 147 tin. That will always bother me.
Not a weight demand to Clottey who is/was perhaps the biggest welter in the division?
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Simply because Manny was new to the weight and I guess his team were worried about overreaching. They wanted to be sure he was really capable of fighting at welterweight first.
He adapted so well it wasnt a problem and his future fights since have all been at 147 or above.
Winnah winnah chicken dinnah!!!!!!!!!!
I gotta say the focus on Manny's catchweight fights is hysterically funny. I mean what is more impressive a guy who has beaten top guys across nine divisions fighting at a catch weight in his tenth, or guys who have only fought across say five divisions?
Manny is doing something only a handful of guys have ever done and he's the first in 60+ years to do it. If someone is going to try to discredit it because of catchweights, don't they logically first have to denigrate the 99.999999% of all fighters who fought across fewer than ten of today's divisions?
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Bilbo
Simply because Manny was new to the weight and I guess his team were worried about overreaching. They wanted to be sure he was really capable of fighting at welterweight first.
He adapted so well it wasnt a problem and his future fights since have all been at 147 or above.
Winnah winnah chicken dinnah!!!!!!!!!!
I gotta say the focus on Manny's catchweight fights is hysterically funny. I mean what is more impressive a guy who has beaten top guys across nine divisions fighting at a catch weight in his tenth, or guys who have only fought across say five divisions?
Manny is doing something only a handful of guys have ever done and he's the first in 60+ years to do it. If someone is going to try to discredit it because of catchweights, don't they logically first have to denigrate the 99.999999% of all fighters who fought across fewer than ten of today's divisions?
Disagree, let's not dress up the fact that Manny's camp negotiate to make things as easy for him as possible..it's smart business - it is what it is.
Oscar De La Hoya, they knew he'd come in weight drained and wouldn't be at his best...Cotto, they challenge for HIS title even after they've had a fight with Oscar at 147lbs before. Then they duck Mosley (and theirs video proof of Freddie stating this) unless Mosley went down to 142lbs to fight them. When Mosley asked the reason why they fought Oscar at 147 and not him, Freddie said "because you're not Oscar".
Then Mayweather decimates Mosley and all of a sudden Team Pac grow the balls to fight Mosley at 147.
Both Team Pac and Team Mayweather pick their opponents for money and risk level - I would be inclined to say that Floyd actually takes more risk than Pacquiao in that regard. Fought Oscar at 154, fought undefeated Hatton (out of his weight class but on the back of a string of good victories), fought Marquez as a tune-up (at a weight advantage, granted) fought Shane when he was number 1 welterweight and after his annihilation of Margarito (when everyone was talking about how he NEEDS to fight him and he was scared of him) - Pacquaio of recent times has been fed little more than dead bodies that he's a had huge advantage over. You're deluded if you think otherwise. Both teams are guilty.
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Becasue Manny's opponent is hand-picked. Just like his next opponent will be.
JMM at any weight
Judah at any weight
Fight Martinez for the crown, I say!!!
All threads with Mosley name in it should be LOCKED!!! Be yet CLOSE!!!
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marbleheadmaui
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Bilbo
Simply because Manny was new to the weight and I guess his team were worried about overreaching. They wanted to be sure he was really capable of fighting at welterweight first.
He adapted so well it wasnt a problem and his future fights since have all been at 147 or above.
Winnah winnah chicken dinnah!!!!!!!!!!
I gotta say the focus on Manny's catchweight fights is hysterically funny. I mean what is more impressive a guy who has beaten top guys across nine divisions fighting at a catch weight in his tenth, or guys who have only fought across say five divisions?
Manny is doing something only a handful of guys have ever done and he's the first in 60+ years to do it. If someone is going to try to discredit it because of catchweights, don't they logically first have to denigrate the 99.999999% of all fighters who fought across fewer than ten of today's divisions?
Disagree, let's not dress up the fact that Manny's camp negotiate to make things as easy for him as possible..it's smart business - it is what it is.
Oscar De La Hoya, they knew he'd come in weight drained and wouldn't be at his best...Cotto, they challenge for HIS title even after they've had a fight with Oscar at 147lbs before. Then they duck Mosley (and theirs video proof of Freddie stating this) unless Mosley went down to 142lbs to fight them. When Mosley asked the reason why they fought Oscar at 147 and not him, Freddie said "because you're not Oscar".
Then Mayweather decimates Mosley and all of a sudden Team Pac grow the balls to fight Mosley at 147.
Both Team Pac and Team Mayweather pick their opponents for money and risk level - I would be inclined to say that Floyd actually takes more risk than Pacquiao in that regard. Fought Oscar at 154, fought undefeated Hatton (out of his weight class but on the back of a string of good victories), fought Marquez as a tune-up (at a weight advantage, granted) fought Shane when he was number 1 welterweight and after his annihilation of Margarito (when everyone was talking about how he NEEDS to fight him and he was scared of him) - Pacquaio of recent times has been fed little more than dead bodies that he's a had huge advantage over. You're deluded if you think otherwise. Both teams are guilty.
Not dressing anything up. Facts are facts. Who besides Manny in the last 60 nyears has fought across ten of today's divisions? Anybody? Bueller?
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Althugz
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marbleheadmaui
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Bilbo
Simply because Manny was new to the weight and I guess his team were worried about overreaching. They wanted to be sure he was really capable of fighting at welterweight first.
He adapted so well it wasnt a problem and his future fights since have all been at 147 or above.
Winnah winnah chicken dinnah!!!!!!!!!!
I gotta say the focus on Manny's catchweight fights is hysterically funny. I mean what is more impressive a guy who has beaten top guys across nine divisions fighting at a catch weight in his tenth, or guys who have only fought across say five divisions?
Manny is doing something only a handful of guys have ever done and he's the first in 60+ years to do it. If someone is going to try to discredit it because of catchweights, don't they logically first have to denigrate the 99.999999% of all fighters who fought across fewer than ten of today's divisions?
Disagree, let's not dress up the fact that Manny's camp negotiate to make things as easy for him as possible..it's smart business - it is what it is.
Oscar De La Hoya, they knew he'd come in weight drained and wouldn't be at his best...Cotto, they challenge for HIS title even after they've had a fight with Oscar at 147lbs before. Then they duck Mosley (and theirs video proof of Freddie stating this) unless Mosley went down to 142lbs to fight them. When Mosley asked the reason why they fought Oscar at 147 and not him, Freddie said "because you're not Oscar".
Then Mayweather decimates Mosley and all of a sudden Team Pac grow the balls to fight Mosley at 147.
Both Team Pac and Team Mayweather pick their opponents for money and risk level - I would be inclined to say that Floyd actually takes more risk than Pacquiao in that regard. Fought Oscar at 154, fought undefeated Hatton (out of his weight class but on the back of a string of good victories), fought Marquez as a tune-up (at a weight advantage, granted) fought Shane when he was number 1 welterweight and after his annihilation of Margarito (when everyone was talking about how he NEEDS to fight him and he was scared of him) - Pacquaio of recent times has been fed little more than dead bodies that he's a had huge advantage over. You're deluded if you think otherwise. Both teams are guilty.
Yet it was Oscar that went looking for Pacquiao, and it was Oscar that made Pacquiao come up from 135 to 147 so he could ride off into the sunset with a victory over a much smaller fighter that had slipped through his promotional fingers. Yes, Oscar was horribly weight drained, but it was him that wanted the fight. And a lot of people said he'd be too big for him and criticised him for making the fight.
I do dislike catchweights when they're for titles, as I always think if a fighter wants a title in a particular weight class then his opponent should be able to weigh whatever he wants within the parameters of that weight class. But really, Manny's had 2 catchweight fights, Cotto at 145 and Margarito at 150. That's it. 2. Look at how much criticism he gets for it, it's ridiculous. The Margarito one was more beneficial to Margarito anyway, as he was a career welterweight being allowed to weigh in 3 pounds over the WW limit. I didn't like that being for a title, hell I didn't like the fight being made at all, but telling Marg he couldn't weight more than 150 was hardly putting him at a disadvantage when he'd spent almost all of his career before that at 147
He's almost always giving up weight significantly come fight night, I mean what was Margarito on the night, 160? At most Pacquiao puts on 1 or 2 pounds after the weigh in. I don't mind him trying to redress the balance a bit by asking for catchweights, but when its a title fight I'd rather it not have any of that. Gotta agree with marbleheadmaui that the focus on these is stupid when put into context of his overall achievements. We're criticising a fighter for having a few catchweight fights when he's done something pretty much unprecedented in the sport. Please.
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ODH was stupid enough to think he could make 147lb that is his fault he chose to. Manny wanted to weaken Cotto when he did not have to but he did not know that at the time as Bilbo said he was new at the weight.
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Yet it was Oscar that went looking for Pacquiao, and it was Oscar that made Pacquiao come up from 135 to 147 so he could ride off into the sunset with a victory over a much smaller fighter that had slipped through his promotional fingers. Yes, Oscar was horribly weight drained, but it was him that wanted the fight. And a lot of people said he'd be too big for him and criticised him for making the fight.
Some seem to focus on dela Hoya coming down to 147 and they forget that Pacquiao has to even skip a weight division to fight him. How many boxers are able to do this? I believe the criticism is because Manny had retained his power and speed going up in weight that's why they looked at it as an unfair disadvantage on Oscar. If Manny had not retained those, just like most of the other boxers who tried to go up in weight, then there would not even be a discussion on this.
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I do dislike catchweights when they're for titles, as I always think if a fighter wants a title in a particular weight class then his opponent should be able to weigh whatever he wants within the parameters of that weight class. But really, Manny's had 2 catchweight fights, Cotto at 145 and Margarito at 150. That's it. 2. Look at how much criticism he gets for it, it's ridiculous. The Margarito one was more beneficial to Margarito anyway, as he was a career welterweight being allowed to weigh in 3 pounds over the WW limit. I didn't like that being for a title, hell I didn't like the fight being made at all, but telling Marg he couldn't weight more than 150 was hardly putting him at a disadvantage when he'd spent almost all of his career before that at 147
He's almost always giving up weight significantly come fight night, I mean what was Margarito on the night, 160? At most Pacquiao puts on 1 or 2 pounds after the weigh in. I don't mind him trying to redress the balance a bit by asking for catchweights, but when its a title fight I'd rather it not have any of that. Gotta agree with marbleheadmaui that the focus on these is stupid when put into context of his overall achievements. We're criticising a fighter for having a few catchweight fights when he's done something pretty much unprecedented in the sport. Please.
You hit it on the head but I don't think they will still understand.
The OP provided 3 possible answers to his own question and each seems legit on their own. I don't think any posters here knows the real answer, only Team Pacquiao knows. So what's the reason of the question?
Re: Why did Mosley get t weigh all the way up to 147lbs but Pac made Cotto come in at
Because Cotto was younger.
