Is the general opinion of wlad deserved?
his brother aside wlad is currently considered the best HW out there in current form, dominant and unbeatable against the current crop, including David Haye
If we look at when his current form started (which arguably started after Sam Peter 1) how good has that run been?
what has his best win been in that time? How many of his oppponents had the tools to trouble any of the main HW champs of years gone by? In that time how many times has wlad been in a fight where his opponent has a real chance of winning?
In current form would David Haye have had any more trouble with these fighters than wlad has?
Has wlad ever been really such an outstanding heavyweight?
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Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.
What more can we really ask?
Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?
As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.
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Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.
What more can we really ask?
Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?
As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.
thats true but its the fun of a discussion :)
who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?
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marbleheadmaui
Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.
What more can we really ask?
Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?
As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.
thats true but its the fun of a discussion :)
who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?
[scratching head]
Chagaev or Chambers I suppose. 13 loses to both.
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marbleheadmaui
Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.
What more can we really ask?
Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?
As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.
thats true but its the fun of a discussion :)
who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?
[scratching head]
Chagaev or Chambers I suppose. 13 loses to both.
13?
do you honestly think haye would lose to chag? there really is no chance, matt skelton outboxed chag for 3 rounds
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13........mwahahahaha :play:
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marbleheadmaui
Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.
What more can we really ask?
Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?
As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.
thats true but its the fun of a discussion :)
who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?
[scratching head]
Chagaev or Chambers I suppose. 13 loses to both.
13?
do you honestly think haye would lose to chag? there really is no chance, matt skelton outboxed chag for 3 rounds
Well we'll never know because your boy won't fight him.
Wlad fought him on short notice and whipped his ass. Wlad had first offered that fight to Valuev who...for some odd reason declined.
Wlad's competition compared to the WBA title holder's is amazing. Wlad's competition never had a chance because Wlad is a great fighter, the WBA title holder's competition never had a chance because they sucked....Audley Harrison??? Monte Barrett??? Wlad whipped Monte Barrett YEARS ago!
my boy is 5 years old, it wouldnt be great parenting to put him in a fight with a professional boxer
wlad fought chag on short notice? man you are deranged, wlad had been training for the biggest fight of his life, chag took the fight at short notice
and haye was gonna fight chag wasnt he? didnt his aids get in the way?
do you honestly think chag would beat haye?
and this isnt a thread about whos competition at HW is better coz haye has only fought 5 or 6 times and it is a no brainer, this is a thread about has wlads recent competition over rated his stock?
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The better question is whether the general opinion of Haye is deserved. He is made out to be this monstrous cruiserweight, but his best win at cruiserweight was probably over Enzo Maccanarelli or Giacobbi Fragomeni. :p All in all, Haye's best win is probably Nikolai Valuev.
Let's say Wlad beats Haye on July 3? Will Haye be Wlad's best victory?
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Wlad has fought ranked guy after ranked guy and KO'd almost all of them. He has clearly improved over time, fights smart and is always in shape.
What more can we really ask?
Sure his foes stink, the division is awful. But he is doing everything that can be done with it isn't he?
As far as what would 13 have done? There is a huge difference between actually having DONE something and SPECULATING what someone else MIGHT have done.
thats true but its the fun of a discussion :)
who is wlads best opponent during that time? chagaev? how do you think he would have done against him?
[scratching head]
Chagaev or Chambers I suppose. 13 loses to both.
13?
do you honestly think haye would lose to chag? there really is no chance, matt skelton outboxed chag for 3 rounds
Well we'll never know because your boy won't fight him.
Wlad fought him on short notice and whipped his ass. Wlad had first offered that fight to Valuev who...for some odd reason declined.
Wlad's competition compared to the WBA title holder's is amazing. Wlad's competition never had a chance because Wlad is a great fighter, the WBA title holder's competition never had a chance because they sucked....Audley Harrison??? Monte Barrett??? Wlad whipped Monte Barrett YEARS ago!
my boy is 5 years old, it wouldnt be great parenting to put him in a fight with a professional boxer
wlad fought chag on short notice? man you are deranged, wlad had been training for the biggest fight of his life, chag took the fight at short notice
and haye was gonna fight chag wasnt he? didnt his aids get in the way?
do you honestly think chag would beat haye?
and this isnt a thread about whos competition at HW is better coz haye has only fought 5 or 6 times and it is a no brainer, this is a thread about has wlads recent competition over rated his stock?
funniest thread in quite some time
Wlad did take on Chagaev on short notice cause he was ready to fight an orthodox fighter with a pretty straight forward style, then had to change to fighting a slick southpaw with fast hands, due to the fact that Haye's period dropped, Wlad was ready physically but in terms of strategy he took the fight on short notice
but back to the main topic of the thread, i'll just put it this way, Wlad has beat every top 10 guy put in front of him since winning the title and has KO'd all but one of them (Ibragimov), he's beaten them all with ease and i repeat all have been top 10 guys, the real question is,
What the hell has David Haye done to be considered such a threat against the #1 HW in the world? the real answer is jack shit, he beat a giant who was given gifts against Ruiz of all people, fought an ancient Barrett and Ruiz himself, then fought the mighty Audley Harrison :-X
give it up buddy you're transparent
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The better question is whether the general opinion of Haye is deserved. He is made out to be this monstrous cruiserweight, but his best win at cruiserweight was probably over Enzo Maccanarelli or Giacobbi Fragomeni. :p All in all, Haye's best win is probably Nikolai Valuev.
Let's say Wlad beats Haye on July 3? Will Haye be Wlad's best victory?
that is a good question, your first question is as equally as valid as the question in this thread
to the last question i think the answer maybe maybe not but i think wlad will consider it that way
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funniest thread in quite some time
Wlad did take on Chagaev on short notice cause he was ready to fight an orthodox fighter with a pretty straight forward style, then had to change to fighting a slick southpaw with fast hands, due to the fact that Haye's period dropped, Wlad was ready physically but in terms of strategy he took the fight on short notice
but back to the main topic of the thread, i'll just put it this way, Wlad has beat every top 10 guy put in front of him since winning the title and has KO'd all but one of them (Ibragimov), he's beaten them all with ease and i repeat all have been top 10 guys, the real question is,
What the hell has David Haye done to be considered such a threat against the #1 HW in the world? the real answer is jack shit, he beat a giant who was given gifts against Ruiz of all people, fought an ancient Barrett and Ruiz himself, then fought the mighty Audley Harrison :-X
give it up buddy you're transparent
the bit i have put in bold is one way of looking at it, not really a fair reflection tho, chag hadnt been in training wlad had been in training for the biggest fight of his life
are you telling me everytime and up and coming fighter fights a journey man that has been named for the the fight only a few days before it is the journey man is the one with all the advantages? with any advantage at all in fact? wlad had all the advantages that is a fact. so come on man, you hate haye but lets be reasonable in this discussion
so yes back to the point of the thread, yes wlad has beaten everyone, all the top ten men, but how good and how much of a thread were they in reality?
that is the real question of the thread, not what you sugest it is in the last paragraph
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p.s.
I am transparent? what does that mean?
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If anything, he doesn't get the respect that he deserves.
When they retire, we will all talk about how good they were. FACT.
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If anything, he doesn't get the respect that he deserves.
When they retire, we will all talk about how good they were. FACT.
i dunno mate, some people even rate him above his brother
