Re: Is James Toney insane?
Yeah apparently Toney is in good shape or better shape!
It would worry me that hed be like Chris Byrd dropping a shed load of weight and getting in good looking condition but then having no resiliance. The difference with Toney though is that 90% of his training consistes of sparring so he will feel a difference during training and he may just be feeling quicker or something that is encouraging him to keep losing the weight?
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Read Dark Trade by Don MCrae. The NICEST thing that can be said about Toney is he is a troubled soul.
Now having said that? Were he to get to 200 pounds don't you think he'd be competitive with any cruiser in the world? The division just stinks.
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Toney is so frustrating. The man is as skilled as any fighter on this planet, but for nigh on half a decade or so he has refused to be in perfect shape for a fight. And now that he has no fight on the horizon he has apparently worked off the fat and is down to 215 with promises to lose more weight still. He wants Hopkins or Tarver, but there is no guarantee that either will fight him and I have a hard time seeing him on ESPN earning 50 dollars against other CW's in order to stay busy. Surely it isn't that hard for him to get fights at HW or just stay busy so that the bigger fights will come to him? Toney makes little sense to me these days.
FIGHTHYPE \\ JAMES TONEY: "I AM OFFICIALLY 215 POUNDS AND COMING DOWN"
So my question of the day, is James Toney stark raving mad?
James has always been a crazy mo-fo, it's part of his charm. ;) I'd love to see what the dude could do at cruiserweight.
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He wants the money but think he has had too many blows to the head and should not try a lower weight.
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I love the guy to death, but seriously worry. He really hasn't looked good against the elite for a long time now and refuses to fight on a regular basis and yet he keeps on talking. What has he done recently to deserve a fight with Hopkins or Tarver? Speaking as a fan, he just needs to stop talking and get in that ring and show something.
The MMA thing was a farce and he seems to have a half MMA thing coming up. I just wish he would fight or stop completely. The man is so old though. Toney for me has not looked sharp since the first Peter fight. And yeah, he has looked decent against bums, but suddenly he can now lose the weight? But couldn't for Rahman 1 or so many of his HW fights?
Such a weird later career.
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He's been saying the same stuff for over ten years.
Like Marblehead said - read Dark Trade. I was just recently browsing through it and Toney was adamant he was gonna rematch Jones (Roy was just lucky to fight a "tired" version of him)
He was gonna fight Eubank in England. Was gonna kill Benn. Was gonna kill the "bum" Lennox Lewis. Was gonna beat Tyson. Was gonna beat Holyfield (gotta give him credit for that one - it was an impressive beating). The only fighter in the world Toney respected was Riddick Bowe (although, of course, he would whup Bowe's ass).
Great character.
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Sounds like a really interesting book, would love to know how to get hold of it. Toney is mad, but I am always drawn to the outsider types.
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Sounds like a really interesting book, would love to know how to get hold of it. Toney is mad, but I am always drawn to the outsider types.
Got mine from the library, it is old now that even they have it.
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amazon has 14 used copies starting at $2.34...
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He's always been a livewire who didn't tire of his own voice. Difference is his skills used to over shadow it and made it easy to digest. Now he's just stripped down to the fat round man with his ass hanging out of his trunks being out boxed by Peter second go and rolling on the canvas in some mma senior circuit for a check. He can lose weight but he can't lose years and he sure as hell isn't Hopkins. I just try to look the other direction, put the fingers in the ears and go rewatch him vs Jirov, littles and Barkley.
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miles
I love the guy to death, but seriously worry. He really hasn't looked good against the elite for a long time now and refuses to fight on a regular basis and yet he keeps on talking. What has he done recently to deserve a fight with Hopkins or Tarver? Speaking as a fan, he just needs to stop talking and get in that ring and show something.
The MMA thing was a farce and he seems to have a half MMA thing coming up. I just wish he would fight or stop completely. The man is so old though. Toney for me has not looked sharp since the first Peter fight. And yeah, he has looked decent against bums, but suddenly he can now lose the weight? But couldn't for Rahman 1 or so many of his HW fights?
Such a weird later career.
There was a time 50 lbs ago, when Toney could back up his shit talk, now all he does is talk shit. If James could get into "fighting shape" and his weight down to 200 or less, he could still make some waves at crusierweight. He just looks like a fucking whale at Heavyweight, and really isn't competitive there.
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Originally Posted by
miles
Toney is so frustrating. The man is as skilled as any fighter on this planet, but for nigh on half a decade or so he has refused to be in perfect shape for a fight. And now that he has no fight on the horizon he has apparently worked off the fat and is down to 215 with promises to lose more weight still. He wants Hopkins or Tarver, but there is no guarantee that either will fight him and I have a hard time seeing him on ESPN earning 50 dollars against other CW's in order to stay busy. Surely it isn't that hard for him to get fights at HW or just stay busy so that the bigger fights will come to him? Toney makes little sense to me these days.
FIGHTHYPE \\ JAMES TONEY: "I AM OFFICIALLY 215 POUNDS AND COMING DOWN"
So my question of the day, is James Toney stark raving mad?
A fight with Tarver would be the best thing for Toney, as far as a payday and having a shot at winning.
But, I'll believe it when I see it. Last few years Toney is all talk.
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To be fair to Toney, he did look really good early on at HW and he was never less than entertaining to watch. But once he started weighing above 230 pounds, he became increasingly sluggish and it reached a low point with the Rahman 1 fight. Too off balance and the stamina didn't seem to be there. Toney beat Peter the first time out too, but in the rematch we saw a real deterioration and it hasn't been the same since. That was nearly half a decade ago and all we've had from Toney really is a lot of talk and a couple of wins over bums. And now he's suddenly losing all this weight and doesn't even have a fight lined up? He is older than Father Christmas and I have little faith anymore. I will be curious to watch Toney, but I have no real expectations anymore. He has dumped on his fans too much in recent times with empty claims and false promises.
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I like Toney and have to say also...he made Rahman quit on his stool in rematch. I thought that was clear, he shook him to his heels prior to cut or no cut blah.
