The moment Ortiz lost the fight...the weigh in.

This was something off of Yahoo sports writer Kevin Iole...

"In my mind, Ortiz lost the fight at the weigh-in Friday when Mayweather reached over and put his hands on Ortiz’s neck. Ortiz took it and did not react. He shouldn’t have started a fight there, but he should at least have knocked Mayweather’s hand away. By doing nothing, it was a clear sign of intimidation and you can bet that Mayweather noticed it."

I remember thinking why didnt Ortiz do anything from that, but Kevin said it perfectly. Didnt anyone else notice that?

Yes, I think Danny Garcia moved Floyds hand away

Ya and it was a pretty tight grip.

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and there's Ellerbe with his "damn i wanna suck yo dick" face on

He lost the fight in the ring via a two punch combination which although classless where legal.

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The whole weigh in drama is always overrated amongst us fans as being the decider in fights.

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He lost the fight in the ring via a two punch combination which although classless where legal.

The whole weigh in drama is always overrated amongst us fans as being the decider in fights.

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Obviously speaking figuratively not literally, but I think there is some logic to that as it does speak to the mentality of the fighters. Do you think Manny would do that to other fighters? I doubt he does that to Hatton, Marquez, Mosely or alot of other fighters he's faced.

Utter poppycock, Iole is talking bollocks. anyone can read weigh in signs after the event. Half the time fans delude themselves, much like Man Utd fans pretend that they aren't just glory supporters.

Ortiz' whole demeanour was wrong for this fight - He showed Mayweather far too much respect. Between kissing, hugging and allowing the choke hold, his whole attitude to the fight was wrong.

I used to get berated by my trainer and sparring partners for saying sorry when my punches would go below the belt etc These guys were also pro's and would ask me "why the fuck are you saying sorry?? It's a fight!"

...and that was just sparring..not the biggest fight of my life like Ortiz had on Saturday

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Ortiz' whole demeanour was wrong for this fight - He showed Mayweather far too much respect. Between kissing, hugging and allowing the choke hold, his whole attitude to the fight was wrong.

I used to get berated by my trainer and sparring partners for saying sorry when my punches would go below the belt etc These guys were also pro's and would ask me "why the fuck are you saying sorry?? It's a fight!"

...and that was just sparring..not the biggest fight of my life like Ortiz had on Saturday

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Ortiz' toughness seems like a facade to me. He is all too quick to fall into smiles and niceness. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is something phoney about him sometimes.

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Ortiz' whole demeanour was wrong for this fight - He showed Mayweather far too much respect. Between kissing, hugging and allowing the choke hold, his whole attitude to the fight was wrong.

I used to get berated by my trainer and sparring partners for saying sorry when my punches would go below the belt etc These guys were also pro's and would ask me "why the fuck are you saying sorry?? It's a fight!"

...and that was just sparring..not the biggest fight of my life like Ortiz had on Saturday

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Ortiz' toughness seems like a facade to me. He is all too quick to fall into smiles and niceness. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is something phoney about him sometimes.

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It plain and simple, he's a mug that didnt deserve to be in the same ring with Floyd. I said from the start he wouldnt last long, and Floyd would spark him when ever he wanted to, and he did.
He was an over-hyped plank, and still is!

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Ortiz' whole demeanour was wrong for this fight - He showed Mayweather far too much respect. Between kissing, hugging and allowing the choke hold, his whole attitude to the fight was wrong.

I used to get berated by my trainer and sparring partners for saying sorry when my punches would go below the belt etc These guys were also pro's and would ask me "why the fuck are you saying sorry?? It's a fight!"

...and that was just sparring..not the biggest fight of my life like Ortiz had on Saturday

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Ortiz' toughness seems like a facade to me. He is all too quick to fall into smiles and niceness. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is something phoney about him sometimes.

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It plain and simple, he's a mug that didnt deserve to be in the same ring with Floyd. I said from the start he wouldnt last long, and Floyd would spark him when ever he wanted to, and he did.
He was an over-hyped plank, and still is!

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He also has one of the stupidest hair styles I have ever seen. Kissing a fighter AND that hair. He will be wearing fishnets next.

Ortiz was out of his depth with Mayweather, he also did not have the bad attitude to make it interesting. Remember when Hatton and Floyd stood toe to toe at the weigh in, that is what you call passion. I believe it is important not to be intimidated by this at the pre-fight and that it is important for the fighter to show strength that they will not be intimidated. Hopkins would not have allowed it neither would Eubanks.

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Ortiz' whole demeanour was wrong for this fight - He showed Mayweather far too much respect. Between kissing, hugging and allowing the choke hold, his whole attitude to the fight was wrong.

I used to get berated by my trainer and sparring partners for saying sorry when my punches would go below the belt etc These guys were also pro's and would ask me "why the fuck are you saying sorry?? It's a fight!"

...and that was just sparring..not the biggest fight of my life like Ortiz had on Saturday

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Ortiz' toughness seems like a facade to me. He is all too quick to fall into smiles and niceness. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there is something phoney about him sometimes.

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Ortiz is a nice kid, but yes he puts on a front just like Oscar and Ray Leonard used to do. Except he's not half as believable, charming or talented as they were.

Ortiz lost the fight the minute he was picked for this fight. So many people act surprised now. It was a crime and disservice to boxing to even stage this fight. Here was a kid that folded after a first tough fight. He stuck it out and found his mettle and got up from a real ugly shot vs Berto, fought on and was rewarded with a title. He should have been a allowed to defend that title against some decent competition first. How many on the bubble guys did Berto get a chance to defend against? As soon as this kid defined himself, here comes Cherry pickin' Mayweather out of retirement to scoop up a belt from a kid who's still green, so he doesn't get stiffed at the negotiating table the next time they talk about him and pac. Ortiz's people did protect their fighter... they saw money and said strike while the irons hot.
Everyone counted on the layoff and the hot girlfriend to take enough starch out of Mayweather's legs to make this competitive. They guy never really had any hard miles to begin with. His defense has him well preserved. I'm glad ortiz got a decent payday after the hard life he had coming up... but I weep for the future of boxing knowing the promoters haven't changed... I'd take watching a kid that wants to be champ any day over one willing to get punched in the head for a fat check.