Re: some ringside scoring
The writers are in alignment with the views of the forum posters. Only a few diehards and a couple of corrupt judges have Manny ahead. Anyone else with eyes and sense saw a Marquez win.
Re: some ringside scoring
Lederman (ex-judge) and the official judges: 3 for Pac and 1 draw;
Boxing writers and the general public seem to be somewhat in line.
Re: some ringside scoring
Aside from being a GBP publication, I can't see any bis here.
Re: some ringside scoring
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fan johnny
Aside from being a GBP publication, I can't see any bis here.
no offense but how would bias be a problem? It is a list of the scores of boxing writers ringside, and 90% of them on the list aren't from Ring.
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fan johnny
Aside from being a GBP publication, I can't see any bis here.
what does the Ring being owned by GBP have to do with anything? Marquez is no longer a GBP fighter...if anything they still get paychecks from Manny's fights
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ElTerribleMorales
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fan johnny
Aside from being a GBP publication, I can't see any bis here.
what does the Ring being owned by GBP have to do with anything? Marquez is no longer a GBP fighter...if anything they still get paychecks from Manny's fights
The list obviously didn't include all ringside press, just those they could get the scores from. There are others who probably had Pac winning.
Dougie Fisher of ring-had it a draw
Steve Kim of Maxboxing had Marquez 115-113. There are alot of others. I just think even this small sample seems to show that the ringside press scored a draw or for Marquez a reasonably high % of the time.
I don't think the previous fights between the 2 had this much of the opinion of the ringside press going that much towards one fighter (Marquez). I think the other two fights it was much more even.
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The thing is, the 2 of the 3 Judges who really count had Pacquiao winning, the 3rd judge had it a draw.
By most accounts this seems to have been a close fight that could have gone either way. Remember after Frazier vs Ali I, how there was no shortage of people who thought Ali won?
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Mars_ax
The thing is, the 2 of the 3 Judges who really count had Pacquiao winning, the 3rd judge had it a draw.
By most accounts this seems to have been a close fight that could have gone either way. Remember after Frazier vs Ali I, how there was no shortage of people who thought Ali won?
but the scores that the judges that had Pacquiao winning were ridiculous, no way in God's green fucking earth did Marquez only win 4 rounds...
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Lets all be honest. This wasn't a robbery. It was a close fight that more people thought Marquez won.
Judges-more often give the benefit of the doubt to the bigger name fighter (or hometown fighter in those scenarios). That is the nature of the sport.
While some judges reward aggression, that aggression isn't often rewarded against the bigger name fighter or hometown fighter.
Every time there is a decision and a fight is close (even between two prospects), I ask who is the bigger name (or hometown fighter). If you answer that question then a reasonably high % of the time you will pick the correct winner as that fighter will get the close decision.
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captainanddew
Lets all be honest. This wasn't a robbery. It was a close fight that more people thought Marquez won.
Judges-more often give the benefit of the doubt to the bigger name fighter (or hometown fighter in those scenarios). That is the nature of the sport.
While some judges reward aggression, that aggression isn't often rewarded against the bigger name fighter or hometown fighter.
Every time there is a decision and a fight is close (even between two prospects), I ask who is the bigger name (or hometown fighter). If you answer that question then a reasonably high % of the time you will pick the correct winner as that fighter will get the close decision.
If you look at scorecards where an upset probably should have occurred and the bigger name fighter (or hometown fighter wins), you can often see the judges give that fighter way too much credit early in the fight.
The judge starts scoring rounds and if it is reasonably close he isn't going against the bigger name guy early in a fight.
Whether you thought Pac won or lost, to have Pac ahead on 2 scorecards after 6 rounds is ridiculous. Even most of the people who thought Pac won, had Pac coming on in the 2nd half of the fight.
