The Ring Mag still has Pac on top. They explain why...
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WBO welterweight champion and “Fighter of the Decade” Manny Pacquiao remains Ring Magazine’s pound-for-pound king despite his controversial majority decision victory over Mexican legend Juan Manuel Marquez in Las Vegas last Saturday.
Ring’s Michael Rosenthal reported that “The knee-jerk reaction was this: Pacquiao, No. 1 pound for pound, gave a sub-par performance (for him, at least) and should have to pay a price. He noted that No 2 Floyd Mayweather Jr ”was on Pacquiao’s heels going into Saturday, just waiting for a slip-up. And that’s what happened on Saturday. One could argue that Mayweather should supplant Pacquiao atop the rankings, particularly because more people than ever believe he’d beat Pacquiao head to head.”
Ring Magazine said another option we (The Editorial Board) considered was to declare the No. 1 position vacant and demand that the principals fight one another to determine the pound-for-pound king, which would’ve been the easiest way to deal with this dilemma.
In the end, though, Rosenthal said “ we decided to leave the pound-for-pound rankings as is for one simple reason: All but one member of the Ratings Advisory Panel who provided input and the entire RING Editorial Board believed it was the right thing to do.”
The Magazine, considered “The Bible of Boxing” for years considered several points.
1. Pacquiao wasn’t fighting a chump. Marquez is the No. 5 fighter in the world pound for pound. And Pacquiao beat him, at least officially.
2. A great fighter shouldn’t necessarily be demoted because another great fighter has his number. We didn’t think less of Muhammad Ali because he had trouble with Ken Norton three times. The same with Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler in their series.
3. A fighter shouldn’t necessarily be demoted because he has an off night, if that’s what it was on Saturday. Sergio Martinez didn’t look great against Darren Barker but no one clamored for him to be demoted.
4.Pacquiao has accomplished more than Mayweather in recent years. The Filipino is 9-0 against big-name opponents since the beginning of 2008; Mayweather is 3-0 in that time.
5.Mayweather isn’t exactly coming off a sterling performance. He looked good against Victor Ortiz for three-plus rounds but scored a knockout when Ortiz wasn’t looking.
6.And you can’t say that Mayweather should supplant Pacquiao because he defeated Marquez more easily. That doesn’t take into account styles and strengths. Plus, Pacquiao beat Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya more easily than Mayweather did.
In conclusion Rosenthal, one of the most respected boxing writers said “We also feel we should add something here: Pacquiao survives as THE RING’s No. 1 fighter by a hair. Should he stumble again or Mayweather turn in an outstanding performance, a new king probably would be crowned.
And we still hold out hope that they’ll decide this once and for all by facing one another in the ring.
Rosenthal added one more note stating that Marquez moved up in weight yet still fought on at least even terms with the No. 1 fighter in the world, which might merit a bump up in the pound-for-pound ratings under certain circumstances. However, we couldn't justify placing him above Pacquiao, Mayweather, Sergio Martinez and Nonito Donaire, who don't deserve to be demoted.
Source: PACQUIAO REMAINS POUND FOR POUND KING
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However, we couldn't justify placing him above Pacquiao, Mayweather, Sergio Martinez and Nonito Donaire, who don't deserve to be demoted.
They might not desreve to be but they need to be. Marquez didnt deserve to be the loser but they still managed that.
The other fighters only deserve to be ranked higher again when they have a better performance against a fellow world ranked fighter. Thats how ratings work for fuck sakes!
Right now Marquez IS a better fighter than Martinez! He always was!
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Using RingMagazine as reference.. lol If you think RM is still the bible of Boxing, you need some updating.. Their credibility has been going down year after year so Marquez wont be losing much sleep over this.
Bob Arum has just made up his mind and a 4th bout is in order... Marquez is fine..
BOXINGTALK : PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ IV: GROUNDHOG'S DAY
Now let's just get over it and stop beating on a dead horse... I know im over it.. MArquez WON and that's all there is to it.. Now if Miles can do the same..........
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The first point is laughable. He beat Marquez. Are these people dreaming. No one buys this story. Even if you put someone who never saw the actual fight, from Pacquiao's face after the final bell he will see there's a man who knows very well he 'lost' the fight.
It was a lecture for 12 rounds in every aspect of the game...
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Originally Posted by
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However, we couldn't justify placing him above Pacquiao, Mayweather, Sergio Martinez and Nonito Donaire, who don't deserve to be demoted.
They might not desreve to be but they need to be. Marquez didnt deserve to be the loser but they still managed that.
The other fighters only deserve to be ranked higher again when they have a better performance against a fellow world ranked fighter. Thats how ratings work for fuck sakes!
Right now Marquez IS a better fighter than Martinez! He always was!
Exactly and i didn't think Sergio Martinez looked all that vs Darren Barker last time either.
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Manny should be on top. The guy didn't loose and marquez was pretty stiff comp.
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not the way ESPN sees it
Ranking top pound-for-pound boxers (Nos. 1-3) - ESPN
top 3 are
1. Mayweather
2. Pacquiao
3. Martinez
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P4P rankings are all subjective anyways, hell if there is no lineal champ in a division the rankings could also be subjective too.
In other words who really cares.
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P4P = who wins if they are the same size.
SUBJECTIVE
Either Floyd or Pac at #1 is Good ranking IMO
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I like the fact they hae given their reasons and to be honest they are very good points.
I would have now put Floyd #1, but I can see their logic in not changing it.
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The Ring is entitled to their opinion as well.
