Jake Lamotta vs Bernard Hopkins, Marvin hagler, and Bhop vs Marvin, Roy vs Marvin....
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Jake Lamotta vs Bernard Hopkins, Marvin hagler, and Bhop vs Marvin, Roy vs Marvin....
Hopkins would handle Lamotta's assault and then counter punch him and batter him around the ring, swelling him up to win a lopsided UDQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Marvin would rough him up and force him to fight back, Hopkins would get out of his comfort zone and although I think he would go the distance he probably would get a bit beat up along the way losing a Decision
If Jones' chin couldn't handle Tarver's iffy power IMO a Prime Hagler would wreck him if he caught him
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesHopkins would handle Lamotta's assault and then counter punch him and batter him around the ring, swelling him up to win a lopsided UDQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Marvin would rough him up and force him to fight back, Hopkins would get out of his comfort zone and although I think he would go the distance he probably would get a bit beat up along the way losing a Decision
If Jones' chin couldn't handle Tarver's iffy power IMO a Prime Hagler would wreck him if he caught him
i was applauding you, until i got to the jones part, i disagree, jones had a good chin, he just got old, there was a moment in the james toney fight where jones got caught with a decent, hard hook and shook it off, ill actually give that fight to jones by ud
IMO Marvin was a more devastating puncher than Toney (and yes I mean Toney at 160 and 168), plus in his prime he wouldn't let up, I'm not saying that Jones wouldn't be able to go the distance or even win, I just think that Hagler's power mixed with his aggression and relentless will would have eventually caught up to Jones and would have stopped him, but on the same note Jones packed plenty of punch at 160 and his speed was crazy, so what I was getting at is that Hagler would win by TKO and if Jones was to pull out a win it would likely be by decisionQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesHopkins would handle Lamotta's assault and then counter punch him and batter him around the ring, swelling him up to win a lopsided UDQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Marvin would rough him up and force him to fight back, Hopkins would get out of his comfort zone and although I think he would go the distance he probably would get a bit beat up along the way losing a Decision
If Jones' chin couldn't handle Tarver's iffy power IMO a Prime Hagler would wreck him if he caught him
i was applauding you, until i got to the jones part, i disagree, jones had a good chin, he just got old, there was a moment in the james toney fight where jones got caught with a decent, hard hook and shook it off, ill actually give that fight to jones by ud
Jake was overrated he had a good chin but not a hard puncher and was lucky to win the title, he would be outboxed by Hagler and Jones.
Marvin probably would have beaten the green Roy Jones but lost at super middle.
Hagler would beat all of them at Middleweight in his prime he was absolutely awesome.
The thing is Hagler did struglle with ray, and jones was as fast if no faster, much bigger and packed a helluva punch, i don see marvin doing anything, i know marvin wasnt at his peak yet but still.
peak yet? Marvin had already passed his peak when he fought Leonard, and it was more a case of Hagler not stepping on the gas early enough rather than him really struggling with Ray's speed or movement, cause once he began to cut off the ring he was able to pressure Leonard effectively, also Ray was a better technician than Jones, and IMO had better foot movement, so you can't really compare those two or use that fight as reference, if anything use the Hearns opening round minus Tommy's chin, Tommy being a big tall rangy fighter was able to thwart Hagler and baffle him a bit fighting him from a distance potshotting him, but as he did there IMO he will still grind down his opponent and hit him where ever he can, body and head, if Jones would be able to keep his distance and counter effectively well then he could very well win a decision, but if he tried to go toe to toe with Hagler IMO it would be his downfallQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralespeak yet? Marvin had already passed his peak when he fought Leonard, and it was more a case of Hagler not stepping on the gas early enough rather than him really struggling with Ray's speed or movement, cause once he began to cut off the ring he was able to pressure Leonard effectively, also Ray was a better technician than Jones, and IMO had better foot movement, so you can't really compare those two or use that fight as reference, if anything use the Hearns opening round minus Tommy's chin, Tommy being a big tall rangy fighter was able to thwart Hagler and baffle him a bit fighting him from a distance potshotting him, but as he did there IMO he will still grind down his opponent and hit him where ever he can, body and head, if Jones would be able to keep his distance and counter effectively well then he could very well win a decision, but if he tried to go toe to toe with Hagler IMO it would be his downfallQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Sorry thats what i meant, he was passed his peak, but i dont think jones would tradde with him, i go back to the toney fight, jones fought a disciplined fight, and i think he would do the same against hagler, and very few fighters had better foot movement then jones in his prime, i think we mystify past greats with this unbeatable aura and its just not so, jones i think was too much for anyfighter at 160-168
168 maybe, 160 IMO not by a long shot, IMO guys like Hagler, Monzon, Robinson!!!, all would have pushed him to the limit and IMO 2 out of the 3 would have the upper hand on him, not a knock on Jones at all but both guys just have the tools to do to Jones what not many could do to a prime Jones, which is effectively pressure him and get him to trade which was not his strong pointQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralespeak yet? Marvin had already passed his peak when he fought Leonard, and it was more a case of Hagler not stepping on the gas early enough rather than him really struggling with Ray's speed or movement, cause once he began to cut off the ring he was able to pressure Leonard effectively, also Ray was a better technician than Jones, and IMO had better foot movement, so you can't really compare those two or use that fight as reference, if anything use the Hearns opening round minus Tommy's chin, Tommy being a big tall rangy fighter was able to thwart Hagler and baffle him a bit fighting him from a distance potshotting him, but as he did there IMO he will still grind down his opponent and hit him where ever he can, body and head, if Jones would be able to keep his distance and counter effectively well then he could very well win a decision, but if he tried to go toe to toe with Hagler IMO it would be his downfallQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Sorry thats what i meant, he was passed his peak, but i dont think jones would tradde with him, i go back to the toney fight, jones fought a disciplined fight, and i think he would do the same against hagler, and very few fighters had better foot movement then jones in his prime, i think we mystify past greats with this unbeatable aura and its just not so, jones i think was too much for anyfighter at 160-168
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales168 maybe, 160 IMO not by a long shot, IMO guys like Hagler, Monzon, Robinson!!!, all would have pushed him to the limit and IMO 2 out of the 3 would have the upper hand on him, not a knock on Jones at all but both guys just have the tools to do to Jones what not many could do to a prime Jones, which is effectively pressure him and get him to trade which was not his strong pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralespeak yet? Marvin had already passed his peak when he fought Leonard, and it was more a case of Hagler not stepping on the gas early enough rather than him really struggling with Ray's speed or movement, cause once he began to cut off the ring he was able to pressure Leonard effectively, also Ray was a better technician than Jones, and IMO had better foot movement, so you can't really compare those two or use that fight as reference, if anything use the Hearns opening round minus Tommy's chin, Tommy being a big tall rangy fighter was able to thwart Hagler and baffle him a bit fighting him from a distance potshotting him, but as he did there IMO he will still grind down his opponent and hit him where ever he can, body and head, if Jones would be able to keep his distance and counter effectively well then he could very well win a decision, but if he tried to go toe to toe with Hagler IMO it would be his downfallQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Sorry thats what i meant, he was passed his peak, but i dont think jones would tradde with him, i go back to the toney fight, jones fought a disciplined fight, and i think he would do the same against hagler, and very few fighters had better foot movement then jones in his prime, i think we mystify past greats with this unbeatable aura and its just not so, jones i think was too much for anyfighter at 160-168
What makes you thik it wasnt his strong point? because he never had too?all these guys were tough as nails but jones isnt exaclty feather fisted, you couldnt just walk through his punches, not even hagler
he never had to because there never was a guy who was ever able to, Robinson and Hagler would both be able to pressure Jones like no other opponent he had faced in his prime, IMO Hagler would have eaten up Toney at 160 and done so easily, styles make fights and Toney's come forward style would have been perfect for Hagler, IMO Hagler had on of if not the best beard at 160 in the history of the sport, punches would just seem to deflect off of the bald head of his and he would just keep coming at his opponent like a rabid dog, I think we can agree that it would most likely be a toss up, and the closest fight between the 3 you mentionedQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales168 maybe, 160 IMO not by a long shot, IMO guys like Hagler, Monzon, Robinson!!!, all would have pushed him to the limit and IMO 2 out of the 3 would have the upper hand on him, not a knock on Jones at all but both guys just have the tools to do to Jones what not many could do to a prime Jones, which is effectively pressure him and get him to trade which was not his strong pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralespeak yet? Marvin had already passed his peak when he fought Leonard, and it was more a case of Hagler not stepping on the gas early enough rather than him really struggling with Ray's speed or movement, cause once he began to cut off the ring he was able to pressure Leonard effectively, also Ray was a better technician than Jones, and IMO had better foot movement, so you can't really compare those two or use that fight as reference, if anything use the Hearns opening round minus Tommy's chin, Tommy being a big tall rangy fighter was able to thwart Hagler and baffle him a bit fighting him from a distance potshotting him, but as he did there IMO he will still grind down his opponent and hit him where ever he can, body and head, if Jones would be able to keep his distance and counter effectively well then he could very well win a decision, but if he tried to go toe to toe with Hagler IMO it would be his downfallQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Sorry thats what i meant, he was passed his peak, but i dont think jones would tradde with him, i go back to the toney fight, jones fought a disciplined fight, and i think he would do the same against hagler, and very few fighters had better foot movement then jones in his prime, i think we mystify past greats with this unbeatable aura and its just not so, jones i think was too much for anyfighter at 160-168
What makes you thik it wasnt his strong point? because he never had too?all these guys were tough as nails but jones isnt exaclty feather fisted, you couldnt just walk through his punches, not even hagler
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe never had to because there never was a guy who was ever able to, Robinson and Hagler would both be able to pressure Jones like no other opponent he had faced in his prime, IMO Hagler would have eaten up Toney at 160 and done so easily, styles make fights and Toney's come forward style would have been perfect for Hagler, IMO Hagler had on of if not the best beard at 160 in the history of the sport, punches would just seem to deflect off of the bald head of his and he would just keep coming at his opponent like a rabid dog, I think we can agree that it would most likely be a toss up, and the closest fight between the 3 you mentionedQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales168 maybe, 160 IMO not by a long shot, IMO guys like Hagler, Monzon, Robinson!!!, all would have pushed him to the limit and IMO 2 out of the 3 would have the upper hand on him, not a knock on Jones at all but both guys just have the tools to do to Jones what not many could do to a prime Jones, which is effectively pressure him and get him to trade which was not his strong pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4lifeQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralespeak yet? Marvin had already passed his peak when he fought Leonard, and it was more a case of Hagler not stepping on the gas early enough rather than him really struggling with Ray's speed or movement, cause once he began to cut off the ring he was able to pressure Leonard effectively, also Ray was a better technician than Jones, and IMO had better foot movement, so you can't really compare those two or use that fight as reference, if anything use the Hearns opening round minus Tommy's chin, Tommy being a big tall rangy fighter was able to thwart Hagler and baffle him a bit fighting him from a distance potshotting him, but as he did there IMO he will still grind down his opponent and hit him where ever he can, body and head, if Jones would be able to keep his distance and counter effectively well then he could very well win a decision, but if he tried to go toe to toe with Hagler IMO it would be his downfallQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Sorry thats what i meant, he was passed his peak, but i dont think jones would tradde with him, i go back to the toney fight, jones fought a disciplined fight, and i think he would do the same against hagler, and very few fighters had better foot movement then jones in his prime, i think we mystify past greats with this unbeatable aura and its just not so, jones i think was too much for anyfighter at 160-168
What makes you thik it wasnt his strong point? because he never had too?all these guys were tough as nails but jones isnt exaclty feather fisted, you couldnt just walk through his punches, not even hagler
No doubt he would beat toney, but the jones fight would be much more inconclusive, i would kill to see that fight, i think jones boxing skill was underrated, theres so much talk about his athleticism that people forget he had good boxing iq, i actually think it would be more of a boxing match then a brawl giving that both fighters would respect the others crack, but def agree, it is a toss up and probably most challenging fight for either guy in any era