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I was sipping whisky while going through my dvd collection of boxers and I came across James tony's bundle and to this minute a questions been nagging at me. In a Tony vs Ali fight, who would win?
Tony had a habit of loving his defense so much that he would not punch for almost half the round
Ali threw token punches on the inside and while against the ropes.
In a sense they were each others kryptonite.
I'd love to hear you thoughts and suggestions on this particular question
Toney wasn't aggressive enough in my view, Ali's reach and movement would be enough to handle Toney.
However I like the style matchup because neither fighter ever saw what they would both bring to the ring from an opponent in their careers. And it could be more interesting if Toney was more aggressive.
I think Evander Holyfield would have given Ali hell.
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Originally Posted by DavilaJones
James Toney would have a better chance than James Tony in my opinion.
Look how he managed against Roy Jones Jr. Somebody fast on their feet, who can throw fast bunches of stinging shots from a multitude of unorthodox angles.
There you go.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Ali left everything in the ring in his fights with Fraizier and Foreman never mind Norton and Shavers.
No contest and an unfair matchup. Toney best weight was middle and super middle. He looked great in a couple of other fights notably Holyfield and the southpaw at cruiserweight.
Maybe he thought we were talking about Vitali? ???Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterWhat?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Ali left everything in the ring in his fights with Fraizier and Foreman never mind Norton and Shavers.
Ali would win by wide decision in my opinion. Toney gets troubled by movers with fast hands. I would rather have seen a Toney vs 91 Foreman showdown instead.
First off than you for letting me know about the typo, reason I thought the fight wouldn't be that unfair in terms of weight is because toney was still very good at cruiser and Ali was 15 pounds over that in most of his fights.
Second point, as Norton demonstrated three times, though the third fight was just plain weird as how it ended, Ali has a horrible time against people who stand outside of him and force him to come forward.
As mentioned previously by you gents James doesn't do well against movers and hes seldom busy on the ring.
Here is another one if I still have your attention:
Leonard vs de la hoya
Flurry vs stiff jab/ uppercut vs left hook.
My only true concern for Oscar is his stamina asides that, I think he could have held his own.
Love Toney but I think Ali takes a wide one. Toneys backfoot wasn't really there and Ali wasn't going to play that sit inside game and had the mobility/versatility to make Toney look down right oafish.
What are you talking about? I'm saying Toney never fought anyone with Ali's style and Ali never fought anyone with Toney's style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Reading it back still makes no sense, nothing Toney could do would be a problem for Ali. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat are you talking about? I'm saying Toney never fought anyone with Ali's style and Ali never fought anyone with Toney's style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
A much better fight would have been the Roy Jones Jr. that fought Ruiz vs. Cassius Clay.
They were similar in weight as Clay was a smallish heavyweight before his exile.
I think Jones would have been too fast, and before people start the "glass chin" business about Jones, consider if Clay would have been able to hit him clean.
Ali beat Liston and other decent heavyweights, Roy beat ....Ruiz.Quote:
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And Liston didn't fight much like Roy now did he ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterAli beat Liston and other decent heavyweights, Roy beat ....Ruiz.Quote:
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I suppose you can say an old Floyd Patterson with back problems was similar to Roy Jones, but not really.
A young brash, skinny Cassius Clay struggled greatly with Doug Jones and was lucky to get the win.
I think he struggles even more with the unbelievable speed, talent and unorthodox style of Roy Jones.
I see Roy outspeeding and outpointing Clay for a decision.