Can anyone explain to me why , say a 7pound diffrence in anything below heavyweight is a big deal , but in heavyweight you can have a 15 stone boxer v an 18 stone boxer
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Can anyone explain to me why , say a 7pound diffrence in anything below heavyweight is a big deal , but in heavyweight you can have a 15 stone boxer v an 18 stone boxer
Where do you stop if you bring in weights like super heavyweight and super super heavyweight.
Any man over 200lbs is a heavyweight and thats the way it will always be but its a shame they cant.
Its a bit of a scam except with the little guys say 112 to 118 and is one of boxings dirty little secrets. Going from 8 divisions to 17 had a reverse effect then intended. Now you have people fighting one or two divisions south of their proper weight class because of the way weights are managed. I dont know if you remember Morales at 122 but he quite literally looked like grim death at the weigh in. Come fight night he was a full fledged lightweight. The 7 pound difference is more marketing today. I mean just look at all the belts and sanctioning fees.
I think the idea has to do with a percentage of body weight. Given that, the difference between 100 and 110 is more significant than the difference between 220 and 230. Also, i think that there is a belief that, above a certain weight, you should be able to hit hard enough to stop anybody. a lot of the old time guys thought that, above 165lbs, you could hit hard enough to ko anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trecco bay
Does anyone think in the future with people getting bigger there would be a super heavyweight division, say 18st+?
I think there should have been a super heavy division, but it's too late now.
In some of the smaller divisions, I think there is only 3lbs difference between them. That is simply a big shit.
In the olden days fighters would wonder round at their fight weights most of the time. Now people boil down to way under their normal weight for the weigh in.
True Grey, but what about the difference between 205 and 260, which is what the OP was eluding to.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldI think the idea has to do with a percentage of body weight. Given that, the difference between 100 and 110 is more significant than the difference between 220 and 230. Also, i think that there is a belief that, above a certain weight, you should be able to hit hard enough to stop anybody. a lot of the old time guys thought that, above 165lbs, you could hit hard enough to ko anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trecco bay
You've hit the nail on the head there though... But it's not just about punching power.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsooldI think the idea has to do with a percentage of body weight. Given that, the difference between 100 and 110 is more significant than the difference between 220 and 230. Also, i think that there is a belief that, above a certain weight, you should be able to hit hard enough to stop anybody. a lot of the old time guys thought that, above 165lbs, you could hit hard enough to ko anybody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trecco bay
I spar guys with a few stone on me. At 185lbs non if them hit harder than me when we're both planting our feet and throwing our hardest.
Their size and weight still gives a massive advantage. In lower weight classes you're usually weaker if you're taller. Not so at heavier weights.
Lighter shots are heavier. Like I said, heavy shots not so much... But a guy with a weight advantage's jab is a lot heavier. They can swat yours away and walk through it easier, harder to control the ring.
I agree, the difference betwern a light heavy's punch and a heavy's punch is smaller than a lightweight and a bantham... But I think there's less a difference in chin.
I noticed how much grappling was going on between Haye and Chisora and thinking that it must be so physically taxing just to have to resist the physical pressure a much bigger man is putting on to you.
I've always been pro supercruiser weight... Would go a long way to bridge the gap right down as low a middleweight imo.
For me when you get above 215lbs you start losing a hell of a lot more athleticism than you do at any other weight. That is one reason Wlad is so hard to beat. He's very athletic and probably second only to Haye in terms of athleticism in the whole division, and he weighs around 240+.
The thing is guys below HW tend to be in shape because they have to train properly because of they have to make weight. HW's now just seem to think Heavier is better. Well that is not the case. We have had a long list of poor HW's recently and 95% of the division are overweight. I'm not saying everyone should look like action man but coming in carrying fat will do you no favours.