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World Boxing News: Dublin joins Las Vegas as potential Tyson Fury venue
The choices are three former world champions Siarhei Liakhovich, Ruslan Chagaev and Jean-Marc Mormeck. I think this is good for Fury, I think any of them will be good experience for him.
Well, two are shot to pieces and coming off knockout losses, the other will never get chosen (Chagaev).
Either way they are a backward step from the likes of Chisora, and I can't see what he hopes to learn in his 20th pro fight taking on either of those pair.
They are a step up from his last opponent. In Furys defence these three are a better choice than Audley Harrison who Price is fighting next.
Price has only had 13 fights. Judge him on his 20th if he goes that far. Frankly, I'd tip Audley to beat those pair still anyway. Liakhovic was been stopped twice in a row by nobodys, and Mormec has no pedigree at the weight. At least Harrison can punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
yeah theres only chag id like to see him fight from that list
adamek would have been nice
Fury is 23 and Price is 29, if Fury fights and beats either liakhovic or Mormeck he can compare his performance to the likes of Wladamir or Helenius against either man. I don't see how at 23 you can say that this is a bad choice of opponent. Who do you think he should fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenPrice has only had 13 fights. Judge him on his 20th if he goes that far. Frankly, I'd tip Audley to beat those pair still anyway. Liakhovic was been stopped twice in a row by nobodys, and Mormec has no pedigree at the weight. At least Harrison can punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
And Harrison can punch , but he doesn't ever throw any punches and he can easily get stopped. Price is going to ruin him, it won't prove anything. Both price and fury are progressing I know, but you saying that it's a pointless fight for Fury I don't understand what you mean. It's all experience for a young heavyweight progressing.
Fury is 24 I think. You seem to misunderstand what experience is. There is a difference between having 20 fight's experience, and having five fight's experience repeated four times. What can Fury learn from fighting two bums that sparring wouldn't give him? I would agree if either were heavy handed, quick, a southpaw, or had an excellent jab, which would present a new challenge at this stage of his career, but they bring nothing to the table, not even an iron jaw that would give Fury experience of a 12 round fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFury is 23 and Price is 29, if Fury fights and beats either liakhovic or Mormeck he can compare his performance to the likes of Wladamir or Helenius against either man. I don't see how at 23 you can say that this is a bad choice of opponent. Who do you think he should fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenPrice has only had 13 fights. Judge him on his 20th if he goes that far. Frankly, I'd tip Audley to beat those pair still anyway. Liakhovic was been stopped twice in a row by nobodys, and Mormec has no pedigree at the weight. At least Harrison can punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
And Harrison can punch , but he doesn't ever throw any punches and he can easily get stopped. Price is going to ruin him, it won't prove anything. Both price and fury are progressing I know, but you saying that it's a pointless fight for Fury I don't understand what you mean. It's all experience for a young heavyweight progressing.
Audley is a tall, rangy southpaw who has power. That is a learning experience for Price (or Fury if he fought him)
I don't see how a man who gotQuote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenFury is 24 I think. You seem to misunderstand what experience is. There is a difference between having 20 fight's experience, and having five fight's experience repeated four times. What can Fury learn from fighting two bums that sparring wouldn't give him? I would agree if either were heavy handed, quick, a southpaw, or had an excellent jab, which would present a new challenge at this stage of his career, but they bring nothing to the table, not even an iron jaw that would give Fury experience of a 12 round fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFury is 23 and Price is 29, if Fury fights and beats either liakhovic or Mormeck he can compare his performance to the likes of Wladamir or Helenius against either man. I don't see how at 23 you can say that this is a bad choice of opponent. Who do you think he should fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenPrice has only had 13 fights. Judge him on his 20th if he goes that far. Frankly, I'd tip Audley to beat those pair still anyway. Liakhovic was been stopped twice in a row by nobodys, and Mormec has no pedigree at the weight. At least Harrison can punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
And Harrison can punch , but he doesn't ever throw any punches and he can easily get stopped. Price is going to ruin him, it won't prove anything. Both price and fury are progressing I know, but you saying that it's a pointless fight for Fury I don't understand what you mean. It's all experience for a young heavyweight progressing.
Audley is a tall, rangy southpaw who has power. That is a learning experience for Price (or Fury if he fought him)
KTFO so easily by Haye is a learning experience. He's not going to offer 12 rounds for Price let's be honest, and at least who Fury is fighting were world champions. Neither are strong opposition for either Fury or Price but it's an opportunity for both men to get in there and show what they can do. I'd expect both price and fury to look impressive and move onto the next fight.
But you keep saying these are bad choices for Fury, who would you have him fight then?
i have to say i agree with bobQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonI don't see how a man who gotQuote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenFury is 24 I think. You seem to misunderstand what experience is. There is a difference between having 20 fight's experience, and having five fight's experience repeated four times. What can Fury learn from fighting two bums that sparring wouldn't give him? I would agree if either were heavy handed, quick, a southpaw, or had an excellent jab, which would present a new challenge at this stage of his career, but they bring nothing to the table, not even an iron jaw that would give Fury experience of a 12 round fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFury is 23 and Price is 29, if Fury fights and beats either liakhovic or Mormeck he can compare his performance to the likes of Wladamir or Helenius against either man. I don't see how at 23 you can say that this is a bad choice of opponent. Who do you think he should fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenPrice has only had 13 fights. Judge him on his 20th if he goes that far. Frankly, I'd tip Audley to beat those pair still anyway. Liakhovic was been stopped twice in a row by nobodys, and Mormec has no pedigree at the weight. At least Harrison can punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
And Harrison can punch , but he doesn't ever throw any punches and he can easily get stopped. Price is going to ruin him, it won't prove anything. Both price and fury are progressing I know, but you saying that it's a pointless fight for Fury I don't understand what you mean. It's all experience for a young heavyweight progressing.
Audley is a tall, rangy southpaw who has power. That is a learning experience for Price (or Fury if he fought him)
KTFO so easily by Haye is a learning experience. He's not going to offer 12 rounds for Price let's be honest, and at least who Fury is fighting were world champions. Neither are strong opposition for either Fury or Price but it's an opportunity for both men to get in there and show what they can do. I'd expect both price and fury to look impressive and move onto the next fight.
But you keep saying these are bad choices for Fury, who would you have him fight then?
harrison is a step up from anything price has fought so far by some distance
so yep it can be considered a learning fight
he has to fight a brit after all as it is for the british title so what choice does he have?
Yes it is a make sense fight don't get me wrong but all I'm saying is that I expect Price to do a number on Harrison early in the fight like Haye did. So how's that learning anything? We all know Audley is garbage, big or not he doesn't use any of his advantages, because he's a wasted talent. Doesnt have any heart or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44i have to say i agree with bobQuote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonI don't see how a man who gotQuote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenFury is 24 I think. You seem to misunderstand what experience is. There is a difference between having 20 fight's experience, and having five fight's experience repeated four times. What can Fury learn from fighting two bums that sparring wouldn't give him? I would agree if either were heavy handed, quick, a southpaw, or had an excellent jab, which would present a new challenge at this stage of his career, but they bring nothing to the table, not even an iron jaw that would give Fury experience of a 12 round fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFury is 23 and Price is 29, if Fury fights and beats either liakhovic or Mormeck he can compare his performance to the likes of Wladamir or Helenius against either man. I don't see how at 23 you can say that this is a bad choice of opponent. Who do you think he should fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenPrice has only had 13 fights. Judge him on his 20th if he goes that far. Frankly, I'd tip Audley to beat those pair still anyway. Liakhovic was been stopped twice in a row by nobodys, and Mormec has no pedigree at the weight. At least Harrison can punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
And Harrison can punch , but he doesn't ever throw any punches and he can easily get stopped. Price is going to ruin him, it won't prove anything. Both price and fury are progressing I know, but you saying that it's a pointless fight for Fury I don't understand what you mean. It's all experience for a young heavyweight progressing.
Audley is a tall, rangy southpaw who has power. That is a learning experience for Price (or Fury if he fought him)
KTFO so easily by Haye is a learning experience. He's not going to offer 12 rounds for Price let's be honest, and at least who Fury is fighting were world champions. Neither are strong opposition for either Fury or Price but it's an opportunity for both men to get in there and show what they can do. I'd expect both price and fury to look impressive and move onto the next fight.
But you keep saying these are bad choices for Fury, who would you have him fight then?
harrison is a step up from anything price has fought so far by some distance
so yep it can be considered a learning fight
he has to fight a brit after all as it is for the british title so what choice does he have?
As for Fury it's just a keep busy fight so I don't understand how it's a bad choice, it's just getting more rounds under his belt.
Call me old fashioned, but I find it ridiculous for a prospect aged 24 to be considering fighting guys who don't even make the top 100 in the weakest division in boxing for his 20th fight. (ignoring Chagaev, who he won't fight).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonI don't see how a man who gotQuote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenFury is 24 I think. You seem to misunderstand what experience is. There is a difference between having 20 fight's experience, and having five fight's experience repeated four times. What can Fury learn from fighting two bums that sparring wouldn't give him? I would agree if either were heavy handed, quick, a southpaw, or had an excellent jab, which would present a new challenge at this stage of his career, but they bring nothing to the table, not even an iron jaw that would give Fury experience of a 12 round fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFury is 23 and Price is 29, if Fury fights and beats either liakhovic or Mormeck he can compare his performance to the likes of Wladamir or Helenius against either man. I don't see how at 23 you can say that this is a bad choice of opponent. Who do you think he should fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenPrice has only had 13 fights. Judge him on his 20th if he goes that far. Frankly, I'd tip Audley to beat those pair still anyway. Liakhovic was been stopped twice in a row by nobodys, and Mormec has no pedigree at the weight. At least Harrison can punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
And Harrison can punch , but he doesn't ever throw any punches and he can easily get stopped. Price is going to ruin him, it won't prove anything. Both price and fury are progressing I know, but you saying that it's a pointless fight for Fury I don't understand what you mean. It's all experience for a young heavyweight progressing.
Audley is a tall, rangy southpaw who has power. That is a learning experience for Price (or Fury if he fought him)
KTFO so easily by Haye is a learning experience. He's not going to offer 12 rounds for Price let's be honest, and at least who Fury is fighting were world champions. Neither are strong opposition for either Fury or Price but it's an opportunity for both men to get in there and show what they can do. I'd expect both price and fury to look impressive and move onto the next fight.
But you keep saying these are bad choices for Fury, who would you have him fight then?
Who should he fight? Pick someone from the top thirty.
Fury is the one pushing the agenda, stating he will be ready for Wlad next year. He will need at least 4-5 decent fights against top twenty fighters to have a hope of surviving that fight, and these guys, who have no power, jab or ability are utterly useless as far as prep goes.
Compare his age to other top heavyweights though and he has years to go ! most of them who are competing at the top level are usually into their 30's and hes only 24. Thats why I dont see whats wrong with him fighting these ex champions. My personal opinion is that Fury should stay well clear from Wladamir for the time being. Hes no where near ready at all and he needs to get more fights under his belt. I dont think he should fight Klit in 4-5 fights time, I think it should be more like 10. He is out of his depth at this minute. I think he needs keep busy fights like this for the time being, no point rushing straight into the deep end when he can improve every fight and learn more about the heavyweight division.Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenCall me old fashioned, but I find it ridiculous for a prospect aged 24 to be considering fighting guys who don't even make the top 100 in the weakest division in boxing for his 20th fight. (ignoring Chagaev, who he won't fight).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonI don't see how a man who gotQuote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenFury is 24 I think. You seem to misunderstand what experience is. There is a difference between having 20 fight's experience, and having five fight's experience repeated four times. What can Fury learn from fighting two bums that sparring wouldn't give him? I would agree if either were heavy handed, quick, a southpaw, or had an excellent jab, which would present a new challenge at this stage of his career, but they bring nothing to the table, not even an iron jaw that would give Fury experience of a 12 round fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFury is 23 and Price is 29, if Fury fights and beats either liakhovic or Mormeck he can compare his performance to the likes of Wladamir or Helenius against either man. I don't see how at 23 you can say that this is a bad choice of opponent. Who do you think he should fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by BobthepenPrice has only had 13 fights. Judge him on his 20th if he goes that far. Frankly, I'd tip Audley to beat those pair still anyway. Liakhovic was been stopped twice in a row by nobodys, and Mormec has no pedigree at the weight. At least Harrison can punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
And Harrison can punch , but he doesn't ever throw any punches and he can easily get stopped. Price is going to ruin him, it won't prove anything. Both price and fury are progressing I know, but you saying that it's a pointless fight for Fury I don't understand what you mean. It's all experience for a young heavyweight progressing.
Audley is a tall, rangy southpaw who has power. That is a learning experience for Price (or Fury if he fought him)
KTFO so easily by Haye is a learning experience. He's not going to offer 12 rounds for Price let's be honest, and at least who Fury is fighting were world champions. Neither are strong opposition for either Fury or Price but it's an opportunity for both men to get in there and show what they can do. I'd expect both price and fury to look impressive and move onto the next fight.
But you keep saying these are bad choices for Fury, who would you have him fight then?
Who should he fight? Pick someone from the top thirty.
Fury is the one pushing the agenda, stating he will be ready for Wlad next year. He will need at least 4-5 decent fights against top twenty fighters to have a hope of surviving that fight, and these guys, who have no power, jab or ability are utterly useless as far as prep goes.
Yes, the top boys are knocking on, but they have been around for an age. Wlad, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe and a whole host of other top heavies were world champions at 24.
Fury isnt as talented as Wlad, Tyson, Holyfield or Bowe though, lets be honest here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen
Good management helps maximise the talent that he does have so he should do well in the long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam SeddonFury isnt as talented as Wlad, Tyson, Holyfield or Bowe though, lets be honest here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobthepen