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D long reigning 118lbs titlist (longer reign than every noteworthy modern 118 titlist that i can think of) , whom also happened 2b a road warrior whom fought rel8ively lots of noteworthy opponents , versus d decisive conqueror of 2 of his 3 decisive conquerors that mattered
Not sure what you mean at the end by 2 of 3 of his conquerors...
"El Jibaro" Perez went 1-1 vs. Wilfredo V. and lost to "Lindol" Espinosa not sure who that third opponent is whom your referring to.
I've met and talked to "Jibaro" over the years and he's a nice man to talk with. He had really good power in both hands but what people look over is his will to fight on and how well he could actually box.
Case in point his pretty one sided win over Wilfredo the 1st time around. His jab was flowing nicely then he goes on to dethrone the undefeated "Happy" Lora in another pretty one side bout. I think I only gave "Happy" Lora 3 rounds and I was being generous with one of them I believe.
Israel was deadly with his shots. He blitzed his opponents and took them out. How he made it past the 2nd round vs "Lindol" Espinosa is beyond me. Only someone with a lot of heart and determination could do that. But for me his career at the top was too short to favor him. He had to retire early because he suffered some head injuries in his last bout and had to undergo surgery.
Vazquez and Espinosa destroyed Perez and got destroyed by ContrerasQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
D way i put it , Perez vs Vazquez is 1(0):1(1) , so Vazquez got d better of it by far , and then their 1st fight was a 10 rder , not 12 .Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
It still matters but far less than d brutal stoppage that Vazquez managed on him .
d 3rd opponent that i referred 2 is Genaro Hernandez whom destroyed Perez 2 years and 4 months b4 Espinosa did , and i (still) give them credit 4 it despite that Perez' record by that time suggests that he was rapidly declining 4 some reason .
Wish i could find more Raul Perez fights other than his 2 losses i refered 2Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
In a way Contreras vs Espinosa is like Avelar vs Vazquez , respectively .Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
In terms of age differences it is like Vazquez vs Perez .
I wish that i could find more of Vazquez' , Perez' , Espinosa's , Contreras' , (Gaby) Canizales' and their opponents' fights .
I gotta go Perez. More gears and could mix inside and likewise box well off that lanky frame. Just a deeper well rounded fighter. Israel was explosive as hell but took alot of shots that could catch up fast. He'd do well to rip into Perez body, Pepillio valdez gave him hell with it, but I don't think he could maintain pace off Perez left hook and solid jab. Espinosa shot his entire load in that 2nd round and had zero left and was a sitting duck for Contreras short power. From what I remember he was plucked out of the audience for the Vasquez fight as the original opponent fell out. Crazy scenario being a world champion.
I'm either completely misunderstanding you or we are talking two different launguages.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenfrankVazquez and Espinosa destroyed Perez and got destroyed by ContrerasQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
D way i put it , Perez vs Vazquez is 1(0):1(1) , so Vazquez got d better of it by far , and then their 1st fight was a 10 rder , not 12 .Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
It still matters but far less than d brutal stoppage that Vazquez managed on him .
d 3rd opponent that i referred 2 is Genaro Hernandez whom destroyed Perez 2 years and 4 months b4 Espinosa did , and i (still) give them credit 4 it despite that Perez' record by that time suggests that he was rapidly declining 4 some reason .
If I'm reading this correctly you are saying "Chicanito" Hernandez also fought Contreras?
I must have missed that one. I don't recall them ever fighting but I've been wrong before. Gonna have to look that one up.
Your comment reads "versus the decisive conqueror of 2 of his 3 decisive conquerors" (The only 2 opponents they shared were Espinosa & Wilfredo V)
Vazquez , Hernandez , Espinosa all stopped Perez .Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Contreras stopped Vazquez and Espinosa .
So it is like Contreras > Vazquez > Perez ,
_______ Contreras > Espinosa > Perez , which makes it Contreras > Perez quite clearly
Also , Contreras was 7 years older than Perez and achieved what he did against their mutual opponents (I watched all of d fights that i refer 2 here) and as far as i could c , whenever some1 won in these fights , he did not cheat , which makes them legit .
So this age difference (which was supposed 2b in favor of Perez) accompanied with d 2 decisive outcomes against mutual opponents make Contreras' superiority over Perez very clear .
What do u mean by this ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Vazquez lost his 118 title 2 Khaokor Galaxy by a split decision in Thailand .
Later Khaokor lost his title by KO in 1 in Thailand as well 2 Espinosa , and later Espinosa lost it by KO 2 Contreras .
Contreras stopped Vazquez above d 118 limit in a non title fight .