Cotto's Conditioning Cost Him The Fight
I was not too impressed with Trout's decision win over Cotto this weekend. It looked to me as if once again Cotto's conditioning failed him. He looked well in from the 3-6 rd, then he got tired. You could clearly see it, his mouth was open, he looked exhausted and I don't think it was due to Trout, because Trout was not punishing him to the body, Trout was not dominating him. I think Cotto's conditioning is what lost him the fight not Trout's performance. This is the 2nd fight in a row that Cotto has gotten tired in the middle rds, against Mayweather after the 8th rd he looked exhausted just like this weekend. and some could argue he was getting tried in the Margarito rematch too. I don't think it's a coincidence that his conditioning issues have come up as soon as he started using his new trainer, Pedro Diaz. Is it possible that Diaz who does not have whole lot of experience training pro fighters is the issue here? Since he spent his whole career training in the amateur program has he brought in an amateur regimen to train a pro fighter?
Looking back at 24/7 and the showtime special about the fight seeing Cotto training under Diaz it seemed to me that the program being used was not strenuous enough, tossing balls in the air, basically juggling, etc. Seeing the training he was doing did not seem enough to prepare him for 12 hard rounds. He then took Cotto to Big Bear, but only for 2 weeks! In order to get the benefit of high altitude training it takes a whole training camp, a hell of a lot more than 2 weeks. If anything it was probably more of a distraction to take him out there.
When Cotto was under Manny Steward he did not get tired in the Foreman fight or Mayorga fight. These conditioning issues have just now come up under his new trainer, Diaz. Normally I would not say Cotto's conditioning was a reason for his loss, but seeing him last Saturday tired after the 7th rd, more like exhausted, he looked like Holyfield in the 3rd Bowe fight. Now Miguel has gotten tired in some of his previous fights, but not like this, and not so early in the fight. Again this happened after the 8th rd in the Mayweather fight. I honestly think he made a mistake by hiring Diaz and it has shown in his past 2 fights. Not only has his conditioning worsened, but bad habits that Steward corrected have come back, such as Miguel hunching over which makes him vulnerable for the uppercut, Manny had him fighting in the middle of the ring, punching with the other fighter, now he has fallen back to going to the ropes, again Manny corrected this and Diaz has allowed these bad habits to come back. Sometimes when a trainer or fighter languishes too long in the amateurs they can't adjust or make the necessary changes in the pros. They have been doing the same regimen for so long they can't change or won't change. I think Cotto's loss was not that Trout was so much better or was just not a winnable fight for Cotto, but his conditioning failed him and his trainer needs to be held responsible for a failed training program.
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Conditioning didn't have shit to with it. Trout is just better than him
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Terrible style match up
Terrible timing
Never had to make it
Over looked him imo most definitely
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Man that's long. Right place at the right time had all that mattered to do with it.
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I don't agree at all. Cotto never looked completely gassed or anything, more a bit listless right from the get go. Regardless though, he was never able to consistently do good work on the inside, Trout was clearly stronger than him and able to tie up or turn him whenever he needed to. He also buzzed Cotto very early on and was never hurt at all himself, so it's a bit of a stretch to put the result down to what Cotto didn't do.
Trout had a very good style to deal with Cotto, and being much bigger, younger, faster, and stronger didn't hurt either. He had also built up a solid lead well before the championship rounds, whose to say he didn't have a lot more in the tank as well, had he needed it. Having said all that I wasn't terribly impressed by Trout, he isn't very accurate and probably could have mixed it up and extended himself a lot more, I thought. Cotto really looked like a sitting duck in either the 10th or 11th round and Trout still kept teeing off on his guard instead of trying to bait him or really go on the attack. Was only my second time seeing Trout in action but he left the same things to be desired against Delvin Rodriguez imo, be interesting to see if he has another gear.
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So what you're saying, essentially, is that Cotto finds it more tiring to fight very good or elite fighters as opposed to dross.
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I was not too impressed with Trout's decision win over Cotto this weekend. It looked to me as if once again Cotto's conditioning failed him. He looked well in from the 3-6 rd, then he got tired. You could clearly see it, his mouth was open, he looked exhausted and I don't think it was due to Trout, because Trout was not punishing him to the body, Trout was not dominating him. I think Cotto's conditioning is what lost him the fight not Trout's performance. This is the 2nd fight in a row that Cotto has gotten tired in the middle rds, against Mayweather after the 8th rd he looked exhausted just like this weekend. and some could argue he was getting tried in the Margarito rematch too. I don't think it's a coincidence that his conditioning issues have come up as soon as he started using his new trainer, Pedro Diaz. Is it possible that Diaz who does not have whole lot of experience training pro fighters is the issue here? Since he spent his whole career training in the amateur program has he brought in an amateur regimen to train a pro fighter?
Looking back at 24/7 and the showtime special about the fight seeing Cotto training under Diaz it seemed to me that the program being used was not strenuous enough, tossing balls in the air, basically juggling, etc. Seeing the training he was doing did not seem enough to prepare him for 12 hard rounds. He then took Cotto to Big Bear, but only for 2 weeks! In order to get the benefit of high altitude training it takes a whole training camp, a hell of a lot more than 2 weeks. If anything it was probably more of a distraction to take him out there.
When Cotto was under Manny Steward he did not get tired in the Foreman fight or Mayorga fight. These conditioning issues have just now come up under his new trainer, Diaz. Normally I would not say Cotto's conditioning was a reason for his loss, but seeing him last Saturday tired after the 7th rd, more like exhausted, he looked like Holyfield in the 3rd Bowe fight. Now Miguel has gotten tired in some of his previous fights, but not like this, and not so early in the fight. Again this happened after the 8th rd in the Mayweather fight. I honestly think he made a mistake by hiring Diaz and it has shown in his past 2 fights. Not only has his conditioning worsened, but bad habits that Steward corrected have come back, such as Miguel hunching over which makes him vulnerable for the uppercut, Manny had him fighting in the middle of the ring, punching with the other fighter, now he has fallen back to going to the ropes, again Manny corrected this and Diaz has allowed these bad habits to come back. Sometimes when a trainer or fighter languishes too long in the amateurs they can't adjust or make the necessary changes in the pros. They have been doing the same regimen for so long they can't change or won't change. I think Cotto's loss was not that Trout was so much better or was just not a winnable fight for Cotto, but his conditioning failed him and his trainer needs to be held responsible for a failed training program.
Good first post with some well made points. However, I don't agree it was Cotto's conditioning. If anything, Diaz has emphasized conditioning in his training regimen. I must admit I was disappointed when Cotto dropped Stewart, as Stewart was an all-time HOF trainer, and Diaz to me was unknown. But Cotto did great against Margacheato in their rematch, by employing boxing techniques he had not used in their first fight. I also think Cotto did as well as he could against Floyd... and there's absolutely no shame in losing that type of fight against the world's top p4p, where Floyd was tested more than in any recent fight. Against Trout, Cotto was facing a bigger, younger, stronger opponent. I've always maintained that 154 is not Cotto's best weight... his frame is too small for that. Add to that Cotto's age, and inevitable wear from years of wars in the ring.... and you can see where it was an uphill fight all the way.
The lazy answer is to say that Trout "is better than him", as I saw a few posts up. And that night he was. But it's because we're finally starting to see a great fighter in his declining years. Cotto is past his prime, and a bit shop worn, as others have correctly pointed out.
Would Cotto have done as well or better with Stewart in his corner? That is a hell of a good question... one we'll never know the answer to. But I will say one thing: I will forever wonder why Cotto went to Joe Santiago for a while, when Santiago knows absolutely zilch about training a professional fighter. I will always maintain that Cotto went into the Pacquiao fight incorrectly trained, and with little direction during the fight.
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In all seriousness Cotto has always gassed in his hard fights. He comes out of the blocks and takes the early rounds, but against Mosley, Margarito, Pacquiao, Mayweather and even Clottey, he lost momentum down the line.
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I think the condition problem had to do with Trout being a much bigger man than Cotto is used to, and getting drained from having to carry his weight when they slugged it out on the inside and in the clinches. A lot of fighters (past and present) say how draining it is to tussle with a bigger guy.
Trout was the better man that night, plain and simple. He deserves respect for coming into a fight with a legend as a relative unknown and whipping ass.
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You could argue Cotto has always had conditioning issues as in his first fight with Margarito.
Miguel did well against Foreman or Mayorga because they are easier to opponents to beat than Floyd and Trout.
Cotto has lost that intensity that he had at the lower weights which is mainly due to his size. He is a small light middleweight fighter.
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I'm gladto hear that Canelo is NOT interested in fighting Cotto anymore, and has said he is aiming for Floyd or Trout.
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Cotto like a lot of fighters, made it to the top of the mountain but now the only, way is down, sorry
to say it he's on the way down.!
