Hearns vs Mayweather & Hagler vs Hopkins

Just saw the threat below about the perfect fights and these two really stuck in my mind when i saw them posted by someone - Who would you guys pick!? Prime for Prime with Hearns Mayweather at 140

I struggle to even imagine Hearns vs Mayweather - just can't work it out! Mayweather probably wouldn't be able to put Tommy down even if his chin is edgy and if Hearns landed what SSM did on Floyd (given Flloyd was past his prime then) then I would'nt see him lasting - However he is so so quick - but so was Leonard and Hearns still tagged him a hell of a lot! SO I suppose I would go for - HEARNS

Hagler Hopkins!? Hopkins i'm thinking would be most effective when fighting like he has done the last 6 or 7 years which is actually his prime I would say with his best results - Hagler wouldnt take no headbutting shit I wouldnt have thought - Id go for Marvin 116-112 probably.

Opinions!?

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Originally Posted by oakleyno1

Just saw the threat below about the perfect fights and these two really stuck in my mind when i saw them posted by someone - Who would you guys pick!? Prime for Prime with Hearns Mayweather at 140

I struggle to even imagine Hearns vs Mayweather - just can't work it out! Mayweather probably wouldn't be able to put Tommy down even if his chin is edgy and if Hearns landed what SSM did on Floyd (given Flloyd was past his prime then) then I would'nt see him lasting - However he is so so quick - but so was Leonard and Hearns still tagged him a hell of a lot! SO I suppose I would go for - HEARNS

Hagler Hopkins!? Hopkins i'm thinking would be most effective when fighting like he has done the last 6 or 7 years which is actually his prime I would say with his best results - Hagler wouldnt take no headbutting shit I wouldnt have thought - Id go for Marvin 116-112 probably.

Opinions!?

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Tommy Hearns for 12 rounds outboxed SRL, he also outclassed an excellent defensive fighter in Wilfred Benitez. I've never seen anyone outbox Tommy Hearns, and i don't think Mayweather would either because he hasn't got the size or reach.

To beat Hearns you have to be aggressive, i don't think Mayweather would be willing to take that chance against the hard hitting Hearns, i think it would look alot like the Benitez fight with Mayweather not getting dominated. But losing the rounds being too cautious and in the end loses a decision.

As for B-hop/Hagler i really couldn't tell you, i think this is a 50/50 match up and it would also depend on which version of each fighter we are on about.

Hagler in his early days was a boxer/mover, but in his championship reign he was much more of a come forward aggressive fighter. Where as its the total opposite for Hopkins who at first was a come forward aggressive fighter, who then changed his style into a slick boxer in his later career.

Hearns knocks Floyd out.
I give the edge to Hagler over Hop. I think Haglers switch hitting gives him the edge in a points win.

I have always thought Hearns would have a great chance of beating Floyd. Tommy had a GREAT jab to go with his long reach...and he of course could lay the hammer down and put you to sleep. As crafty as Hopkins is...I see Hagler beating him.

Hearns knocks Floyd's block off

Worst possible match up for him

I do not think Hearns fought at 140lb as professional but he would probably lose at that weight if he fought Floyd.

Hearns would beat Floyd as he would have done Leonard had it been 12 rounds. Floyd knows he would have to fight more aggressively but Hearns would catch him and hurt him, so Floyd survives a beating for 12 rounds.

Hagler would beat Hopkins through aggressive and effective boxing but B Hop would give as good as he gets and I think it would end up a good street fight.

I think Hearns would KO Floyd. Shout me down if I'm wrong but I don't think that Money May has ever faced a jabber anything like Hearns. I think that Hearns would just fire streight shots at Floyd all night long and they would land. You can't do the whole sholder role thing against a guy who's super fast, six foot tall and accurate like Tommy Hearns was in his prime.

Hagler vs BHop is a weird one. I really have no idea I don't think that Hagler showed his A game against SRL but at the same time he could not stop Duran either.

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Originally Posted by Mctaggert

I think Hearns would KO Floyd. Shout me down if I'm wrong but I don't think that Money May has ever faced a jabber anything like Hearns. I think that Hearns would just fire streight shots at Floyd all night long and they would land. You can't do the whole sholder role thing against a guy who's super fast, six foot tall and accurate like Tommy Hearns was in his prime.

Hagler vs BHop is a weird one. I really have no idea I don't think that Hagler showed his A game against SRL but at the same time he could not stop Duran either.

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One match up i always wanted to see was a prime Vernon Forrest vs Floyd Mayweather, Forrest had a tremendous jab that could neutralize speed. I think that would of been a very interesting match up.

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Originally Posted by ICB

Tommy Hearns for 12 rounds outboxed SRL, he also outclassed an excellent defensive fighter in Wilfred Benitez. I've never seen anyone outbox Tommy Hearns, and i don't think Mayweather would either because he hasn't got the size or reach.

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This..... on Hearns-Mayweather.

On Hagler-Hopkins, I'd have to say Hagler.
He's got too much firepower for Hopkins, and he was too much of a wily veteran to fall for Hopkins' shenanigans.

I'll take Hopkins over Hagler. I think Hopkins would be too quick and slick, and would take a competitive decision.

Mayweather/Hearns is a tougher one, and you have to keep in mind that we're going prime vs prime and Hearns had his prime at WW and MW, and Floyd was peak at super-featherweight to light-welterweight. That being said, at WW I'll still take Floyd.

What I find funny is the people who think beating Floyd is just simply a matter of throwing a bunch of straight punches and jabs. Then when guys fight Floyd and have a low punch output they say "Jeez if he just threw more jabs/punches he would have won!" Doesn't it seem weird that the key to beating Mayweather is so simple, yet no one has managed to do it for 17 years?

Floyd is a master defensive technician and counter puncher. Guys go in with the intention to throw a ton of punches, but start second guessing themselves and can't set right when they're eating lightning fast lead right hands and left hooks. I gaurentee you, Hearns has his offense severely stunted by Floyd, and he eats a lot of flush shots.

I know people will bring up that he outboxed Leonard, but Mayweather is better than Leonard in just about every catagory, and also has a different style.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

I'll take Hopkins over Hagler. I think Hopkins would be too quick and slick, and would take a competitive decision.

Mayweather/Hearns is a tougher one, and you have to keep in mind that we're going prime vs prime and Hearns had his prime at WW and MW, and Floyd was peak at super-featherweight to light-welterweight. That being said, at WW I'll still take Floyd.

What I find funny is the people who think beating Floyd is just simply a matter of throwing a bunch of straight punches and jabs. Then when guys fight Floyd and have a low punch output they say "Jeez if he just threw more jabs/punches he would have won!" Doesn't it seem weird that the key to beating Mayweather is so simple, yet no one has managed to do it for 17 years?

Floyd is a master defensive technician and counter puncher. Guys go in with the intention to throw a ton of punches, but start second guessing themselves and can't set right when they're eating lightning fast lead right hands and left hooks. I gaurentee you, Hearns has his offense severely stunted by Floyd, and he eats a lot of flush shots.

I know people will bring up that he outboxed Leonard, but Mayweather is better than Leonard in just about every catagory, and also has a different style.

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Hagler edges Hopkins and Tommy quite literally kicks the snot out of Floyd at 147. Its also a crock that Floyd peaked out at 126 and 135. Makes little difference. Tommy is all wrong for him at any weight. I'm not sure Floyd could deal with Saddler at 126 let alone a hypothetical Hearns at that weight.

Hearns KO winner over Mayweather easily!!! Mayweather offers no power so Tommy would be working freely!! Hearms 6'1" 147, Floyd 5'7" 145 its such a miss match its ridiculous!!!

Hagler over Hopkins it will take Marvelous time to run Hopkins down because Bernard won't fight Hagler he'll stink the ring out and run and tap and run and try to hold!! Marvelous will eventually get Hopkins to slow down and he won't let Hopkins steal like Leonard did to Hagler. Were talking prime Hagler not the older version who fought Leonard. Hopkins does nthing better than Hagler does except run!! Who has Hopkins ever beated thats a great fighter? He's over his head with a "high work rate" Hagler. Ray.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

Hagler edges Hopkins and Tommy quite literally kicks the snot out of Floyd at 147. Its also a crock that Floyd peaked out at 126 and 135. Makes little difference. Tommy is all wrong for him at any weight. I'm not sure Floyd could deal with Saddler at 126 let alone a hypothetical Hearns at that weight.

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I have no problem with people thinking Hearns beats Mayweather, because Hearns was a hell of a champ and could knock out any man with his right hand.

But when people are saying he knocks out Floyd early or dominates Floyd... that's just crazy talk. In Floyd, you're talking about THE GREATEST defensive fighter of all time. Willie Pep, Benitez, hell even Whitaker - none of these guys had the defensive capabilities of PBF. And seeing how much Hearns struggled offensively against Benitez, I think it's a little niave to say Hearns just blows Mayweather out of the water.

You don't think Floyd was at his peak from 130-140? The best I ever seen Floyd look - possibly the greatest virtuoso performance I've ever seen - was vs Corrales at 130.
Floyd went up to 147 and 154 to secure big money fights, but really he was never a "true" 147 or 154lber.

As for Saddler, Floyd never fought below super feather anway, but assuming they could fight... Saddler gets dominated.

Hearns would spark Floyd in 2 rounds, Hagler would beat the shit out of Slopkins.;)

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Originally Posted by Dia bando

Hearns would spark Floyd in 2 rounds, Hagler would beat the shit out of Slopkins.;)

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Of course. Why wouldn't they... :rolleyes: