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1. Carl Froch
2. Kell Brook
3. Ricky Burns
4.Amir Khan
5. David Haye
6. Jaime McDonnel
7.Carl Frampton
8. Lee Selby
9. Matthew Macklin
10. Tyson Fury
Above is my list but found it very tough. Couldnt find a spot for Price, Barker, Murray. Probably missed someone obvious.
You'll have to explain the criteria?
I have no idea how Brook can rate above proven world-class fighters, let alone how Selby or Frampton can be above Murray?
And.... Fury?
What's going on?
Its an attempt to determine who would win if all those ranked were the same size. I love people like you. Murray deserve to be on the list because he beat? He lost to Martinez and drew with Sturm and everyone else he has beaten were nobodies. He did win a prizefighter tho. Selby has looked unbelievable in his last few fights and loos a future world champion as does Frampton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Brook maybe rated a bit high but who are the prove world class fighters he is above?
He's above 4 current or former "World" Champions.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIts an attempt to determine who would win if all those ranked were the same size. I love people like you. Murray deserve to be on the list because he beat? He lost to Martinez and drew with Sturm and everyone else he has beaten were nobodies. He did win a prizefighter tho. Selby has looked unbelievable in his last few fights and loos a future world champion as does Frampton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Brook maybe rated a bit high but who are the prove world class fighters he is above?
I must be one of the few Brits that doesn't rate Brook that highly. I don't see what the fuss is about. He looks ok to me. Nothing special.
It's tough, mine would be:
Haye - top because I think on his day he could beat anyone in the division and really is a special talent.
Froch - most inspirational UK fighter of my generation. Fears no one, wins through grit and hard work.
Murray - has proven he is the real deal and can beat the best (has done twice on my card)
Burns, Khan, Cleverley (basically all the same position, but that order if I had to) - very good, but very protected.
Brook - looking like a genuine contender, I'm probably being generous though as he'll likely get sparked in his first world title fight.
Selby - vicious little fucker who I think has got world title written all over him.
Barker, Macklin - I'm probably being harsh to both of these, but I think they are good domestically and mostly EU, but will always fall short on the world stage.
Hasn't changed from the other day when we did it here: http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...h-top-ten.html
I hate people like me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIts an attempt to determine who would win if all those ranked were the same size. I love people like you. Murray deserve to be on the list because he beat? He lost to Martinez and drew with Sturm and everyone else he has beaten were nobodies. He did win a prizefighter tho. Selby has looked unbelievable in his last few fights and loos a future world champion as does Frampton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Brook maybe rated a bit high but who are the prove world class fighters he is above?
Selby has been very impressive in his last few fights but hasn't even fought at European level. Frampton's best opponent is a "shot" Steve Molitor. Brook's best opponent is Carson Jones - whose lost a thousand times and never mixed in world-class.
Murray's close loss and draw against two genuine world-class fighters is much more impressive than their "winning" form. He doesn't have a high profile win but neither do the guys you've listed in front of him. We have no idea how they'll fair in world-class. Murray has proved he's at that level.
Khan, Haye and Burns are all proven world-class. If you think Brook beats these guys P4P that's fine. But on form he's not even in the same parish.
And... Fury?
Just out of curiosity why is Haye proven world class? He has done nothing for the last 5 years. Murray hasnt proved anything for me. I wasnt impressed in his fight with Martinez, I was actually disappointed. Lack of aggression cost him that fight and gave himself too much to do late. Whats worse is he knew he was down and barely went for it in the last round. I felt his performance against Martinez wasnt as good as Macklins.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI hate people like me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIts an attempt to determine who would win if all those ranked were the same size. I love people like you. Murray deserve to be on the list because he beat? He lost to Martinez and drew with Sturm and everyone else he has beaten were nobodies. He did win a prizefighter tho. Selby has looked unbelievable in his last few fights and loos a future world champion as does Frampton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Brook maybe rated a bit high but who are the prove world class fighters he is above?
Selby has been very impressive in his last few fights but hasn't even fought at European level. Frampton's best opponent is a "shot" Steve Molitor. Brook's best opponent is Carson Jones - whose lost a thousand times and never mixed in world-class.
Murray's close loss and draw against two genuine world-class fighters is much more impressive than their "winning" form. He doesn't have a high profile win but neither do the guys you've listed in front of him. We have no idea how they'll fair in world-class. Murray has proved he's at that level.
Khan, Haye and Burns are all proven world-class. If you think Brook beats these guys P4P that's fine. But on form he's not even in the same parish.
And... Fury?
I have Brook too high on the list so maybe take him out and slot him in at 5 and push the rest up.
Furys in there because hes unbeaten and has done everything asked of him. He easily beat Johnson with a good boxing display. He manhandled Cunningham which makes me think he could beat the majority of the fringe heavyweight contenders I dont think Murray could do that in his division which is why I have him above him
I don't agree about Murray and Macklins performance. I also think the middleweight division is much stronger than heavyweight.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeJust out of curiosity why is Haye proven world class? He has done nothing for the last 5 years. Murray hasnt proved anything for me. I wasnt impressed in his fight with Martinez, I was actually disappointed. Lack of aggression cost him that fight and gave himself too much to do late. Whats worse is he knew he was down and barely went for it in the last round. I felt his performance against Martinez wasnt as good as Macklins.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI hate people like me.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkeyjoeIts an attempt to determine who would win if all those ranked were the same size. I love people like you. Murray deserve to be on the list because he beat? He lost to Martinez and drew with Sturm and everyone else he has beaten were nobodies. He did win a prizefighter tho. Selby has looked unbelievable in his last few fights and loos a future world champion as does Frampton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Brook maybe rated a bit high but who are the prove world class fighters he is above?
Selby has been very impressive in his last few fights but hasn't even fought at European level. Frampton's best opponent is a "shot" Steve Molitor. Brook's best opponent is Carson Jones - whose lost a thousand times and never mixed in world-class.
Murray's close loss and draw against two genuine world-class fighters is much more impressive than their "winning" form. He doesn't have a high profile win but neither do the guys you've listed in front of him. We have no idea how they'll fair in world-class. Murray has proved he's at that level.
Khan, Haye and Burns are all proven world-class. If you think Brook beats these guys P4P that's fine. But on form he's not even in the same parish.
And... Fury?
I have Brook too high on the list so maybe take him out and slot him in at 5 and push the rest up.
Furys in there because hes unbeaten and has done everything asked of him. He easily beat Johnson with a good boxing display. He manhandled Cunningham which makes me think he could beat the majority of the fringe heavyweight contenders I dont think Murray could do that in his division which is why I have him above him
You ranked Haye at no.5 - personally I think he's won more than enough during his career to prove he's world-class but again he fights in a weak division.
It's your list....
Actually, Burns could now drop behind Khan and Cleverly, but none looked amazing in their most recent fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
1 Carl Froch Super-Middleweight
2 David Haye Heavyweight
3 Ricky Burns Lightweight
4 Nathan Cleverly Light-heavyweight
5 Jamie McDonnell Bantamweight
6 Amir Khan Light-Welterweight
7 Kell Brook Welterweight
8 Martin Murray Middleweight
9 Tyson Fury Heavyweight
10 Matthew Macklin Middleweight
11 Darren Barker Middleweight
12 Tony Bellew Light-Heavyweight
13 George Groves Super-Middleweight
14 Gavin Rees Lightweight
15 Ola Afolabi Cruiserweight
16 Scott Quigg uper-Bantamweight
17 Lee Selby Featherweight
18 James DeGale Super-Middleweight
19 Carl Frampton Super-Bantamweight
20 Brian Rose Light-Middleweight”
British Boxing P4P Rankings May 2013 | British Boxing News - Official UK British Boxers Website
Started putting my own together but i got lazy..I think this is about right although switch a couple around
No one has George Groves in the top ten?
He keeps on fighting bums! Step up man. He looks good but easy to look good against the guys he's fighting. Wasn't much between him and degale in their fight and degale has fought the better opponents sinceQuote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
That's prob about right to be honest, I'd swap McDonnell and Murray.Quote:
Originally Posted by KickMuck