Judah vs Matthysse I thought Judah Won

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114-113 Judah

I keep hearing how Matthyse was robbed so i had to rewatch this, and i thought Judah won with his jab in the early rounds. Matthyse dominated the 10th and the 11th and won a closish 12th round, but he didn't do much in the early rounds and Judah won with his boxing skills, jab, flashier punches.

I admit Alexander vs Matthyse was borderline robbery, and i think Matthyse was hard done by. But this was an extremely close fight that could of gone either way and Matthyse left it too late IMO.

Close fights are often confused with robberies.

Hagler/Leonard
Quartey/Oscar

etc.

I agree, and in hindsight I think Judah had a pretty strong showing in this fight having just dropped back down to 140 and all.

Just shows how good judah can be..some of the time.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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114-113 Judah

I keep hearing how Matthyse was robbed so i had to rewatch this, and i thought Judah won with his jab in the early rounds. Matthyse dominated the 10th and the 11th and won a closish 12th round, but he didn't do much in the early rounds and Judah won with his boxing skills, jab, flashier punches.

I admit Alexander vs Matthyse was borderline robbery, and i think Matthyse was hard done by. But this was an extremely close fight that could of gone either way and Matthyse left it too late IMO.

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I also thought Judah barely won by the skin of his dick on points. Matthysse started too late in that fight, but he has improved since then and also is a quick starter now as evidenced by his last two outings.

I have said this before in other threads. I think he got ganked against Alexander but he lost to Judah and I don't think it was controversial at all. The rounds were pretty clear cut for Judah for the most part.

I thought Mathysse won a close fight against Judah. It wasn't a robbery, but Alexander vs Matthysse was really bad.

I'd call Devon fight a rob job. I thought Matthysse beat Judah 114-113 and actually did a very solid job with 3, 4, 6 round body work and showed a game plan. He made it a point to stab Judah in the chest constantly, touching him and moving him. Judah came to life in 5th and 8th and landed a couple of very solid trap left hooks that Matthysse walked through. Judah started to show fatigue in 9th a bit and Matthysse turned very physical. I had Matthysse taking 10,11 big with Judah trying to find his ground and avoid that right as well as Matthysse winning the last round.

Matthysse is NOT some one demensional slugger. He can power box quite a bit and invests in the body. His power carrys.

After reading this thread I rewatched the fight on YouTube. I don't get why the audience was booing, it was a good fight all the way through. Showed Lucas isn't just a brawler. I like Judah, seems like a decent guy. I really like his style. It was a close fight but I do think Lucas won. What is up with Lucas punching to the back of the head. He did it against Judah and Peterson complained about about it. Peterson said it was making him dizzy and tried to complain to the ref. Is this a pattern.

I'm pretty sure that it is generally thought that Lucas lost two close controversial decisions. I believe that is a fair description. I had him winning both fights; @ICB had him winning one, and losing the other. What is telling is that the fans in St. Louis thought Matthysse won when he fought Alexander, and the fans in NJ thought he won when he fought Zab.

funny thing I just watched the judah-matthyse fight tonight ----- th9ught judah was pulling away in like the 7th, 8th, 9th but then matthyse just came on and manhandled him pretty good, landed alot of hard body shots and pretty much pushed him all around the ring, and you could see judah just starting to run out of gas by the 10th or so....then the knockdown by matthyse--- i thought matthyse won the fight by 1 point. even though i was routing for judah. first time i ever routed for him too.

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Originally Posted by walrus

After reading this thread I rewatched the fight on YouTube. I don't get why the audience was booing, it was a good fight all the way through. Showed Lucas isn't just a brawler. I like Judah, seems like a decent guy. I really like his style. It was a close fight but I do think Lucas won. What is up with Lucas punching to the back of the head. He did it against Judah and Peterson complained about about it. Peterson said it was making him dizzy and tried to complain to the ref. Is this a pattern.

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That's what happens when fighters constantly grab and hold, if you try to hit them to the head it looks like you are trying to rabbit punch them.
If you clinch with Matthysse expect some shoots to the rear area of your head.
Complaining about rabbit punches when you are grabbing and holding is like pushing a fighters head down and then complaining about low blows. IMO

I had Lucas winning by a point, but the fight was WAY too close to be a robbery.

Well i thought Judah did more then enough in the start and mid rounds to get the decsion. As for the Alexander fight i remember scoring it a draw but i go watch it again dont think he was robbed.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

I'm pretty sure that it is generally thought that Lucas lost two close controversial decisions. I believe that is a fair description. I had him winning both fights; @ICB had him winning one, and losing the other. What is telling is that the fans in St. Louis thought Matthysse won when he fought Alexander, and the fans in NJ thought he won when he fought Zab.

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Thing is i keep hearing how Matthysse was robbed twice, and that isn't the case. The Judah fight was razor thin close and could of gone either, i agree with everyone else on the Alexander fight there's no way Alexander won that or was even close to winning it, but then again i thought Kotelnik was robbed vs Alexander aswell so go figure.