fuckin beast..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LlGaK5Ke8c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Mz2dgGU_o
What are your thoughts on Mayorga and how would he do in today's deep WW division?
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fuckin beast..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LlGaK5Ke8c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Mz2dgGU_o
What are your thoughts on Mayorga and how would he do in today's deep WW division?
Probably quite well, better than he was able to do in his day even. Most guys who'd have the offensive skill to deal with him just wouldn't be able to weather his attack imo, many of them are quite a bit smaller as well. Bradley, Paulie, Alexander, Khan, Brook, Broner, Vic Ortiz, Alvarado etc. Then you've got some really tough/dangerous guys who just aren't good enough. Guerrero, Provodnikov, Rios, Thurman etc etc.
Would only be confident that Floyd, or Pacquiao of a couple years ago would definitely not lose to him. Cotto and Mosley basically fought Mayorga when they were just as past it as he was, so I think you can kind of go by those results.
Would certainly be a riot if he were still around, but I suspect he has himself to blame for not taking his career seriously enough after the Spinks loss.
What he lacked in skill he made up for in toughness.
IMO a prime Cotto and Mayorga would have beaten a prime Mayorga probably even easier than the one they did beat up, Mayweather would easily outbox him, DLH would have easily picked him apart just as he did at 154, Trinidad would have done the same, but guys like Berto, Ortiz, Maidana, Broner, Bradley, Guerrero, etc. would have struggled or lost to him due to his power, pressure, mind games, and toughness
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I assume you meant prime Cotto and Mosley in the first sentence, if so I only agree about Shane. You've got to remember Mayorga really wasn't anything like he was at WW once Trinidad beat him, and Cotto never had a reign where he wasn't vulnerable to somebody like that. Mosley is easy to call because he's just as much of a beast as Mayorga physically as well as the better fighter, but Cotto had every chance of going against a young El Matador.
I said a PRIME Cotto and Mosley, and I disagree, because IMO a prime Cotto (pre-Margacheato) was still leagues above Mayorga in terms of skill, he would have broken him down with shots to the body and head, IMO Mayorga was too open, too sloppy, and too predictable to have troubled anyone with good counter punching skillsQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I assume you meant prime Cotto and Mosley in the first sentence, if so I only agree about Shane. You've got to remember Mayorga really wasn't anything like he was at WW once Trinidad beat him, and Cotto never had a reign where he wasn't vulnerable to somebody like that. Mosley is easy to call because he's just as much of a beast as Mayorga physically as well as the better fighter, but Cotto had every chance of going against a young El Matador.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesI said a PRIME Cotto and Mosley, and I disagree, because IMO a prime Cotto (pre-Margacheato) was still leagues above Mayorga in terms of skill, he would have broken him down with shots to the body and head, IMO Mayorga was too open, too sloppy, and too predictable to have troubled anyone with good counter punching skillsQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I assume you meant prime Cotto and Mosley in the first sentence, if so I only agree about Shane. You've got to remember Mayorga really wasn't anything like he was at WW once Trinidad beat him, and Cotto never had a reign where he wasn't vulnerable to somebody like that. Mosley is easy to call because he's just as much of a beast as Mayorga physically as well as the better fighter, but Cotto had every chance of going against a young El Matador.
You didn't say Mosley, thought that's what you meant just wanted to clarify. Vernon Forrest was leagues above Mayorga in terms of skill to, he had counter punching skills and a lot more power than Miguel. He also never showed any signs of being less than durable except against Mayorga. I don't know, I just see it as a really hard ask for Cotto, he could have won but would've had to box perfectly and avoid most everything coming back. Mayorga WAS a beast for a while.
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesI said a PRIME Cotto and Mosley, and I disagree, because IMO a prime Cotto (pre-Margacheato) was still leagues above Mayorga in terms of skill, he would have broken him down with shots to the body and head, IMO Mayorga was too open, too sloppy, and too predictable to have troubled anyone with good counter punching skillsQuote:
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I assume you meant prime Cotto and Mosley in the first sentence, if so I only agree about Shane. You've got to remember Mayorga really wasn't anything like he was at WW once Trinidad beat him, and Cotto never had a reign where he wasn't vulnerable to somebody like that. Mosley is easy to call because he's just as much of a beast as Mayorga physically as well as the better fighter, but Cotto had every chance of going against a young El Matador.
He beat Vernon Forrest and Andrew Lewis twice, both were very skilled WW who could counter, Mayorgas onslaught would have been overwhelming for Cotto despite Cotto being more skilled, you can make a case that p4p he had the best chin in boxing history, that fucker could take a punch, Cottos offensive was not enough to stop Mayorga.
Yeah I lean that way to. And Cotto was just as skilled as he'd ever been when they fought, except he wasn't completely shot while Mayorga was. Even still, that wasn't an easy night for Miguel and doesn't lend to him doing any better in their respective primes, imo anything but.
Cotto gets destroyed.. I guess you can say Cotto was in his prime at 147 but his best weight was 140.
It would be like Cotto-Torres but Mayorga would certainly finish his ass..
Cotto can't compete with a prime Mayorga..
Mayorga was an animal but he burnt out pretty fast.
You looka at the losses he had years ago and the money he was able to make regardless and he was also the undisputed welter champ and beat the pound for pound best fighter twice on the trot. He was seriously dangerous!
Even when he fucked arou d with half assed training and had to move up in weight to accomodate his lack of discipline he still managed to push and give hard fights to the likes of Trinidad, De La Hoya, Vargas, Mosely and Cotto. I believe Mosely was still cheating in the Mayorga fight and Mayorga certainly did better than Margarito who was seen as a cyborg at the time.
Back in the day, Mayorga ould throw every punch full power and still have an amazing work rate in the 12th. Mosely would not have kept out of the way of Mayorgas punches back then, he was not great defensively and its a shame he didnt get his shot against Shane because the result would have been the same as against Forest but Shane maybe would have still had more of a career afterwards, as he did when completely outboxed by Winky.
Also, if Mayorga was prime now, Pacquiao would never have moved up and Arum would not have let him anywhere near Mayorga. Only Floyd would be the favourite to beat him in todays division. Also, it may be bullshit but Mayorga has said when he was training in miami years ago that Angelo Dundee told him that he is the only fighter that could beat Mayweather.
I think Floyd would beat him but it certainly would be interesting. The rest get beat Berto, Guererro, Alexander and Broner. Mayorga's prime did not last that long.
name one fighter at 147 who blasted out Cotto before the Plastergate incident, Forrest fought a dumb ass fight with Mayorga twice, and Spinks showed you don't have to have power to outbox Mayorga, and it's not like Spinks was Mayweather when it comes to defense, one thing that neither guy would do is work the body, something Miguel did plenty early on at 147 and obviously at 140, and don't see how Mayorga would put on a Torres like performance when even Ricardo Torres had more boxing ability than Mayorga in terms of being able to throw a straight punchQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Ricardo Mayorga was durable, but he was way too inconsistent to ever be dubbed as a sure thing, Lewis IMO was worse than the bunch we have at WW today, so I'm pretty confident in saying that any of the following would have handled him
Mayweather, Cotto, Pacquiao, Mosley, Trinidad, DLH, Vargas (at 154 pre DLH), etc.
as for most of today's ww, then yea Mayorga would have a shot against most of them besides Floyd probably
Zab judah. Cotto was on his way out after eating a vicious uppercut until he saved himself by punishing zab's nuts. He cheated to buy time and it worked but if it wasnt for that, cotto would have got blasted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesname one fighter at 147 who blasted out Cotto before the Plastergate incident, Forrest fought a dumb ass fight with Mayorga twice, and Spinks showed you don't have to have power to outbox Mayorga, and it's not like Spinks was Mayweather when it comes to defense, one thing that neither guy would do is work the body, something Miguel did plenty early on at 147 and obviously at 140, and don't see how Mayorga would put on a Torres like performance when even Ricardo Torres had more boxing ability than Mayorga in terms of being able to throw a straight punchQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Ricardo Mayorga was durable, but he was way too inconsistent to ever be dubbed as a sure thing, Lewis IMO was worse than the bunch we have at WW today, so I'm pretty confident in saying that any of the following would have handled him
Mayweather, Cotto, Pacquiao, Mosley, Trinidad, DLH, Vargas (at 154 pre DLH), etc.
as for most of today's ww, then yea Mayorga would have a shot against most of them besides Floyd probably
And lets get this cleared about spinks. He did not outbox mayorga and he sure as hell didnt win thatk fight. The referee beat mayorga as he deducted points unfairly. Leading up to the bout, mayorga had made many tasteless comments which turned him into a villain and it was obvious everyone was against him. The ref did not treat him fairly plain and simple . Theres a difference between running and outboxing and what spinks did was straight up running and holding on for dear life like a bitch.
Performance like that should never earn somebody an undisputed title.
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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaZab judah. Cotto was on his way out after eating a vicious uppercut until he saved himself by punishing zab's nuts. He cheated to buy time and it worked but if it wasnt for that, cotto would have got blasted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesname one fighter at 147 who blasted out Cotto before the Plastergate incident, Forrest fought a dumb ass fight with Mayorga twice, and Spinks showed you don't have to have power to outbox Mayorga, and it's not like Spinks was Mayweather when it comes to defense, one thing that neither guy would do is work the body, something Miguel did plenty early on at 147 and obviously at 140, and don't see how Mayorga would put on a Torres like performance when even Ricardo Torres had more boxing ability than Mayorga in terms of being able to throw a straight punchQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Ricardo Mayorga was durable, but he was way too inconsistent to ever be dubbed as a sure thing, Lewis IMO was worse than the bunch we have at WW today, so I'm pretty confident in saying that any of the following would have handled him
Mayweather, Cotto, Pacquiao, Mosley, Trinidad, DLH, Vargas (at 154 pre DLH), etc.
as for most of today's ww, then yea Mayorga would have a shot against most of them besides Floyd probably
And lets get this cleared about spinks. He did not outbox mayorga and he sure as hell didnt win thatk fight. The referee beat mayorga as he deducted points unfairly. Leading up to the bout, mayorga had made many tasteless comments which turned him into a villain and it was obvious everyone was against him. The ref did not treat him fairly plain and simple . Theres a difference between running and outboxing and what spinks did was straight up running and holding on for dear life like a bitch.
Performance like that should never earn somebody an undisputed title.
Agreed, no way in hell Spinks won that fight.