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Just watched Hopkins vs Glen Johnson and compared to Hopkins vs Roy Johns
It is just me or the ring in Hopkins vs Glen Johnson looks so small?
Almost like a ring for sparring
I am wondering about of the outcome of big battles like Hopkins vs Roy Johns, Ray Leonard vs Hagler if the ringsize was smaller?
That is the greatest thread title ever. I thought Bilbo had come back worried how he was going to pull Epping forest out his arse. :-)
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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
Ok, weird off topic question. I have heard Epping forest referenced before with a homosexual innuendo, is there something to that? I only knew of it from "Barnaby Rudge", which is the only Dickens novel I couldn't keep reading, got kind of meh. It begins with a description of the forest more or less though, sounds beautiful.
I was not insinuating anything homosexual. More horticultural.
Back on topic, I think different ring sizes suit different fighters but the impact on outcomes is exaggerated.
Ring-size is very important.
The fighter with star power often dictates in the negotiations what size ring they'll fight in.
Ray Leonard particularly wanted the 25 foot ring and 12 rds too instead of 15 because he knew he was going to be using up a lot of ring that night, and that he couldn't keep up the pace for 15.
A 20 ft ring and 15 rds, ray wouldn't have seen the final bell.
Dancers, boxers, they want a big ring.
Aggressive types, pressure-fighters, they want a little ring.
I think Roy Jones would've beat Hopkins the 1st fight no matter what size ring they fought in.
^ What the hell's this bull$#!t, you're so incompetent.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
Maybe you should try talkin' some Boxing, son...
What surprised me the most is the intensity with which Hopkins overwhelmed Glen Johnson, and Glen Johnson was not a bad fighter. Hopkins made him so busy, that he had no time to think. I believe, Johns might have more troubles with Hopkins, a lot more infightingQuote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180
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Originally Posted by bradlee180
He is a girl actually
Ring size didn't matter much in that really. Hopkins was closer to his seek and sharpshoot you on your heels mode and Johnson didn't have the reflex or sharpness like Jones to trap a trap...suck you in and rip you short then get out. Hopkins in effect, to me anyway, had two different careers entirely style wise. Huge investment for Johnson that fight as he was and became very much wise old school. Far from a tough luck face first journeyman.
Pretty sure P4P is not a chick, just someone you disagree with. In any case, always check the Adams apple I guess.
Holee f*<k, that explains what's been goin' down...
http://wilk4.com/humor/img/doh-1.jpg
I really didn't know what the f*<k was up, now it makes perfect sense!
Yep, throughout the 1990s, Bernard Hopkins was an aggressive exciting fighter in several exciting fights right up to about 2001 when his style changed to the risk-averse way he's been ever since.
Unfortunately, the PPVs and wider audience only came when Bernard was well past his best at about 36 years old. These younger fighters who'd avoided him for years finally decided it was time to fight him because they all thought he'd be too old now and ripe to be taken. They were wrong.
That style he adopted in the 2000s was because he couldn't get the job done anymore the way he did it in the 1990s in his physical prime. Because of the PPVs, he's remembered for all the snoozefests during the 2000s instead of for the exciting fights he had during the 1990s as dominant middleweight champ.
It's hard to imagine someone stopping Glen Johnson, but stop him he did.
The way a prime Felix Trinidad fought reminds me of the way Hopkins fought in the mid-1990s.
The only time Hopkins fought that way in the 2000s was when at 43 years old, he beat the crap out of Pavlik in 2008.
p4p's conduct is decidedly that of an over-sensitive feminine man..Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Remember Johnson saying the first hard punch Hopkins landed on him made him think that he was at the world class level and how different it was to the fighters he had previously fought. Johnson knew he was in with a world class fighter.
I assume you meant Jones. I'm not sure about Roy but he probably preferred a bigger ring do to his style. Hopkins and Johnson could probably fight on a ten cent stamp.Quote:
Originally Posted by NVSemin
Hagler wanted to fight Leonard so bad that he probably would have agreed to remove a limb. He gave away ring size, glove choice and agreed to 12 rounds instead of 15. He also must have agreed to fight right handed for the first 3 rounds of the fight.
The Tito fight put him on a plateau he deserved to be on many years sooner. How he was actually considered an underdog there blows me away but as ya mention, lack of exposure and massive push didn't help, not to mention a chip on his shoulder the size of a Buick. He really didn't give two shits what anyone thought. The patient thinker was always there even at peak but the aggression stood out. The Holmes fight was a stinker, even way back to the likes of Aquino. Taylor 1 still pisses me off..he assumed victory and i think let a tko escape in the late rounds. Hopkins just liked to beat people up, really that simple. But say the Lipsey, Mercado 2, Jackson blow ups...those were all menace & malice. I could appreciate him literally rearranging Joppys physical features over 12 as much as those. He changed up out of preservation and what a lot of guys only wish they had..the skill and mental make up to do so. He's not all slingshot sniper though and I liked the way he throttled Pavlik. He had that in the Pascal fights too, punching through an established comfort zone at times. Guys a fuckin legend.Quote:
Originally Posted by bradlee180Yep, throughout the 1990s, Bernard Hopkins was an aggressive exciting fighter in several exciting fights right up to about 2001 when his style changed to the risk-averse way he's been ever since.
Unfortunately, the PPVs and wider audience only came when Bernard was well past his best at about 36 years old. These younger fighters who'd avoided him for years finally decided it was time to fight him because they all thought he'd be too old now and ripe to be taken. They were wrong.
That style he adopted in the 2000s was because he couldn't get the job done anymore the way he did it in the 1990s in his physical prime. Because of the PPVs, he's remembered for all the snoozefests during the 2000s instead of for the exciting fights he had during the 1990s as dominant middleweight champ.
It's hard to imagine someone stopping Glen Johnson, but stop him he did.
The way a prime Felix Trinidad fought reminds me of the way Hopkins fought in the mid-1990s.
The only time Hopkins fought that way in the 2000s was when at 43 years old, he beat the crap out of Pavlik in 2008.
p4p's conduct is decidedly that of an over-sensitive feminine man..Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli