Textbook punchers (not only KO artists)
Who in your opinion threw the most textbook like punches and why?
0) I am not necessarily taking about KO one-punch artists, but boxers with really good technique
1) Lets make a distinction for different reach-to-height ratios, I feel like short-handed and long-handed boxers have slightly different technique
2) Lets not limit ourselves to only hook, uppercut or straight punches, in other words, to the perspective of "how the fist reaches the target", but talk more generally: punches with/without the step, overhead/overhand punches, swings, bolos, double shots, all kind of 1-2's, combos and flurries, etc
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Re: Textbook punchers (not only KO artists)
Joe louis punched like a boxing textbook. This subject is something I would love to talk about. What direction do you want to take?
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I am trying to build finally first crude understaing of punching technique as a whole
Right now, the gap is to extablish the connection between body acceleration or deceleration and the snap
I want to build database for the best punching examples, gonna post gifs here to find common denominator, as well as some individual differences. I will comeback soon with gifs to study. I guess I will start with Jack Dempsey
I have rewatched at slow mo his fight with Willard, I was amazed with the finess of his punching and fighting techniques
Previously I did not see it
Truely, the better boxing gets the less people can appreciate it
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Read the Haislet book and how he describes punching. I have found that to be very very helpful.
When you punch, you want to get your weight in front of your punches, and whip the fist through the target. There is a misconception here, in that many people think that you get your weight behind your punches. But that creates a pushing, not a concussive, effect.
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greynotsoold
Read the Haislet book and how he describes punching.
I am slowly chewing it
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
When you punch, you want to get your weight in front of your punches, and whip the fist through the target. There is a misconception here, in that many people think that you get your weight behind your punches. But that creates a pushing, not a concussive, effect.
I agree, but this is a bit too general for me, this is why I want to dig deeper
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greynotsoold
Joe louis punched like a boxing textbook. This subject is something I would love to talk about. What direction do you want to take?
Love to see some videos clips which demonstrate this.
I do not disagree but think visual aids will help.
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Jack Dempsey's overhead right:
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/or...3c79dfc3d1.jpg
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/or...231f09ca5e.jpg
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/or...d11853c41e.jpg
What I do not understand in the technique is what gives the momentum to the sudden rise after he steps to the side and slightly forward as well, then he bend knees... Then goes this stage, where I do not understand how he drives the punch. This is what I can the gap between setting body-weight in motion and the punching snap. He sets body in motion by the fast step, then decelerates the body weight by the firmly placed front foot, then goes some motion in hips /waist / I do not understand, which creates the shoulder snap (in this cases it seems actually the muscles of the chest are snapping as well as the shoulders), and the fist flies forwards. Then he apparently tightens the muscles. which results in this great "follow through".
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NVSemin
Jack Dempsey's overhead right:
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/or...3c79dfc3d1.jpg
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/or...231f09ca5e.jpg
http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/or...d11853c41e.jpg
What I do not understand in the technique is what gives the momentum to the sudden rise after he steps to the side and slightly forward as well, then he bend knees... Then goes this stage, where I do not understand how he drives the punch. This is what I can the gap between setting body-weight in motion and the punching snap. He sets body in motion by the fast step, then decelerates the body weight by the firmly placed front foot, then goes some motion in hips /waist / I do not understand, which creates the shoulder snap (in this cases it seems actually the muscles of the chest are snapping as well as the shoulders), and the fist flies forwards. Then he apparently tightens the muscles. which results in this great "follow through".
He throws his body forward, onto his front foot. This becomes the focal point for the turn of his weight. The hips turn and that is the snap in the punch. The weight hurtles forward, but the planted foot, and then the torque of the hips, provides the focus for the impact. Does that make sense?
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
He throws his body forward, onto his front foot. This becomes the focal point for the turn of his weight. The hips turn and that is the snap in the punch. The weight hurtles forward, but the planted foot, and then the torque of the hips, provides the focus for the impact. Does that make sense?
ok, it makes sense,
please next time when quoting, remove gifs, the threads gets too heavy
Re: Textbook punchers (not only KO artists)
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
Read the Haislet book and how he describes punching. I have found that to be very very helpful.
When you punch, you want to get your weight in front of your punches, and whip the fist through the target. There is a misconception here, in that many people think that you get your weight behind your punches. But that creates a pushing, not a concussive, effect.
Thats a good way to explain the mindset; the Intention is the weight transference into the target. If the intention is to get weight behind it, it will push.
When you think about it; physically its impossible to actually get weight in front of a punch; It is possible to transfer it through the target though.
This goes to show the power of intention and what intent does to make the mind /body fire as one unit, like the difference between a match and a fuse compared to a detonator.
No pre thought, just action in intent.
Also you can see the extension of the same thing; when people have menacing intentions. They either finish the job, or if they have underestimated their foe, they over commit.
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Originally Posted by
NVSemin
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Originally Posted by
greynotsoold
He throws his body forward, onto his front foot. This becomes the focal point for the turn of his weight. The hips turn and that is the snap in the punch. The weight hurtles forward, but the planted foot, and then the torque of the hips, provides the focus for the impact. Does that make sense?
ok, it makes sense,
please next time when quoting, remove gifs, the threads gets too heavy
Really?
Thats the first time in all the years of this site running someone has requested that one.
What happens on page two, if we all follow your request? There will be no pics to discuss your stuff and you'll have to go back and forward to page one to see what your talking about; a pic next to an answer is the exact reason why the option to add one is here in the first place.
Dont worry about the site its massive its designed to carry thousands of giffs pics and links to sites and movies,there is no problem technically.
