9-11...after all this time do you really think it was terrorists?

The UK and US have obviously shown themselves as incredibly truthful countries. They spy on their own citizens jerking off (including children) and refuse to answer questions. A long time ago I watched the attacks and thought it was terrorists, but looking at the way the world has evolved, I don't believe their narrative in the slightest. The West had no enemies, they now have many. They have invented and created most of them.

Do you think 9-11 was terrorists, or state sponsored terrorism?

I don't believe a single word that they are saying anymore and you shouldn't either. They have been filling you with lies and they get away with it because you must fear them. They are full of nonsense. It is true that they can kill you, but all they really want is to control popular opinion. If you make some people seem crazy then you have won as you control the media too. They haven't won, they have lost, and they are perving on people.

They have only won for now because they got to control the narrative. They lied and they went bankrupt and still controlled you. They lied. Do you really think a bunch of Arabs beat the entire West into a submissive display of webcam wankery?

No, you are smarter and better than that. You know better.

Miles I'm surprised, I didn't know you were a 911 conspiracy guy. I'm not saying that as an insult I just didn't think you were one of them. Did you see the documentary loose change? It's all about the conspiracy thinking. I personally do not think it was an act of our government but I refuse to argue about it with the conspiracy fringe. Still, if that is your train of thought and you haven't seen the documentary you should check it out.

[QUOTE=walrus;1227005]Miles I'm surprised, I didn't know you were a 911 conspiracy guy. I'm not saying that as an insult I just didn't think you were one of them. Did you see the documentary loose change? It's all about the conspiracy thinking. I personally do not think it was an act of our government but I refuse to argue about it with the conspiracy fringe. Still, if that is your train of thought and you haven't seen the documentary you should check it out.[/QUOTE

I question the narrative a lot. I don't beleive how it evolved. Most of the enemy were arabs trained by who..

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Miles I'm surprised, I didn't know you were a 911 conspiracy guy. I'm not saying that as an insult I just didn't think you were one of them. Did you see the documentary loose change? It's all about the conspiracy thinking. I personally do not think it was an act of our government but I refuse to argue about it with the conspiracy fringe. Still, if that is your train of thought and you haven't seen the documentary you should check it out.[/QUOTE

I question the narrative a lot. I don't beleive how it evolved. Most of the enemy were arabs trained by who..

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Miles I'm surprised, I didn't know you were a 911 conspiracy guy. I'm not saying that as an insult I just didn't think you were one of them. Did you see the documentary loose change? It's all about the conspiracy thinking. I personally do not think it was an act of our government but I refuse to argue about it with the conspiracy fringe. Still, if that is your train of thought and you haven't seen the documentary you should check it out.[/QUOTE

I question the narrative a lot. I don't beleive how it evolved. Most of the enemy were arabs trained by who..

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UnUSUAL.

For sure I believe it was terrorists, and I will continue to believe that until someone gives me good reason to think otherwise. I've read a ton about it and talked to "truthers" for years and have heard nothing but bullshit logic from people with an unhealthy level of paranoia. These are the same people who believe in ALL of the big conspiracies: JFK's assassination, the moonlanding, chemtrails, ect. Why? Because for the most part these people are married to the thrill of thinking that they are deep, enlightened free thinkers, and are a part of something much bigger than themselves. They love painting everything black and white to reach (false) conclusions.


"The government has been caught lying to it's people before. That means the government are liars and they're lying about this."

"The government has hid things from it's people before. That means the government is hiding something about this."

"The government has carried out 'false flag' operations before. That means that this was a false flag operation."

"The government has killed people before. That means that they killed the 9/11 victims."


It's just nonsense. People will tell you "it's about the oil, maaan. They just wanted an excuse to invade the middle east and take the oil, maaaan."

Ok, so they used 9/11 and the threat of WMD's to invade the middle east. They constructed this INSANELY elborate conspiracy, which involved killing thousands of people, lugging thousands of pounds of explosives into one of the biggest and busiest buildings in the world and setting it up/installing it without anyone noticing, diverting passanger planes and flying them into the trade centers, getting hundreds of people to agree to this plan and keep it a secret...

...and they can do all this, but when they didn't find any WMD's overseas they just say "oops, guess there's no WMD here". They couldn't fake that to keep up their charade? Makes no sense.

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For sure I believe it was terrorists, and I will continue to believe that until someone gives me good reason to think otherwise. I've read a ton about it and talked to "truthers" for years and have heard nothing but bullshit logic from people with an unhealthy level of paranoia. These are the same people who believe in ALL of the big conspiracies: JFK's assassination, the moonlanding, chemtrails, ect. Why? Because for the most part these people are married to the thrill of thinking that they are deep, enlightened free thinkers, and are a part of something much bigger than themselves. They love painting everything black and white to reach (false) conclusions.


"The government has been caught lying to it's people before. That means the government are liars and they're lying about this."

"The government has hid things from it's people before. That means the government is hiding something about this."

"The government has carried out 'false flag' operations before. That means that this was a false flag operation."

"The government has killed people before. That means that they killed the 9/11 victims."


It's just nonsense. People will tell you "it's about the oil, maaan. They just wanted an excuse to invade the middle east and take the oil, maaaan."

Ok, so they used 9/11 and the threat of WMD's to invade the middle east. They constructed this INSANELY elborate conspiracy, which involved killing thousands of people, lugging thousands of pounds of explosives into one of the biggest and busiest buildings in the world and setting it up/installing it without anyone noticing, diverting passanger planes and flying them into the trade centers, getting hundreds of people to agree to this plan and keep it a secret...

...and they can do all this, but when they didn't find any WMD's overseas they just say "oops, guess there's no WMD here". They couldn't fake that to keep up their charade? Makes no sense.

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....unless the 9/11 conspiracy is.....a government conspiracy

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for sure i believe it was terrorists, and i will continue to believe that until someone gives me good reason to think otherwise. I've read a ton about it and talked to "truthers" for years and have heard nothing but bullshit logic from people with an unhealthy level of paranoia. These are the same people who believe in all of the big conspiracies: Jfk's assassination, the moonlanding, chemtrails, ect. Why? Because for the most part these people are married to the thrill of thinking that they are deep, enlightened free thinkers, and are a part of something much bigger than themselves. They love painting everything black and white to reach (false) conclusions.


"the government has been caught lying to it's people before. That means the government are liars and they're lying about this."

"the government has hid things from it's people before. That means the government is hiding something about this."

"the government has carried out 'false flag' operations before. That means that this was a false flag operation."

"the government has killed people before. That means that they killed the 9/11 victims."


it's just nonsense. People will tell you "it's about the oil, maaan. They just wanted an excuse to invade the middle east and take the oil, maaaan."

ok, so they used 9/11 and the threat of wmd's to invade the middle east. They constructed this insanely elborate conspiracy, which involved killing thousands of people, lugging thousands of pounds of explosives into one of the biggest and busiest buildings in the world and setting it up/installing it without anyone noticing, diverting passanger planes and flying them into the trade centers, getting hundreds of people to agree to this plan and keep it a secret...

...and they can do all this, but when they didn't find any wmd's overseas they just say "oops, guess there's no wmd here". They couldn't fake that to keep up their charade? Makes no sense.

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I think it was an external terrorist attack for certain as those assholes moves and early training were traceable as was their financial backing.

I know that at least one part of the governments many sectors knew they were coming. You only have to look at the people and the emergency sectors who were pouring into Manhattan the week before the attack, to know that is also truth that someone high up knew the general area of the target and the timing.

I dont think they had a clue as to how it was going to go down though, or the very smart way it was carried out you have to admit it was a brilliant attack from a reasonably poor enemy. Technically speaking you have to give them 10 out 10 for utilization and execution, although sad.

In regards to that building a block away that magically fell to the ground and disintegrated on its own. Thats the inside job.That the place where i recon secrets and finacial secret dealings would be on paper only.I recon building 7 or whatever it was called was rigged to be dropped, if you ever got nuked for future invasion; so that any attackers couldnt overtake your internal business dealings and remake ends meet for their benefit or find out who your secret enemy or allies are too within their own countries,cause that shit goes down too.

Maybe the towers had a sort of secret back up plan too, with simple charges in the foundations for the exact same reasons. (So that attackers couldnt just take over the financial world on taking hold of those buildings?

I'd put that sort of exact security in place if i had designed it for its purpose wouldn't you?

Add all that up and there's a few of the major pieces the conspiracy people bring to the table and rightly so,but I think they join all the dots a little too well creating a different picture to suit their own political agenda.

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Do you think 9-11 was terrorists, or state sponsored terrorism?

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State sponsored.

But not how you are implying.

I recon there were many sponsors in America some maybe in government but no way was it a combined effort.

The IRA was also sponsored from within America by thousands of people and from here in Australia too by tens of hundreds giving so much of their pay towards the fight and a few government people were in on it too and knew of the funding, but it wasnt an over all government plan for British downfall either.

None of us will ever know. I'm definitely not a conspiracy theorist but honestly this is a plausible scenario! Just as plausible as it being a wholly outside job, unfortunately!

I will never support the religious and human rights abuse regimes as those middle east nations cling to but the American regime is by far the greatest evil on the planet today. Powerful and stealthy in operation it is a chameleon of hideous proportions compared to the backward and obviously tainted Islamic civilisations that are of no real global threat by comparison.

I find it easier to trust the European Union or even Russia!!

Has anyone ever saw a building come straight down? Building 7 wasn't hit but it came straight down as well. Only demolition buildings come straight down. I don't care what people say. I have eyes of my own and can think for myself. I believe it was terrorists but our Government knew about it and did nothing. So they helped it along with demolition. I'm willing to listen if someone could explain this to me. So start explaining.

why wouldn't a building fall straight down? Nobody has explained that to me

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why wouldn't a building fall straight down? Nobody has explained that to me

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I'm asking you to think for yourself. Have you ever in your lifetime ever saw or heard of a building come straight without demolition? How did building 7 come straight down and wasn't even hit. explain that to me. Better yet explain it to yourself.