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Well, at least he didn't get "seriously" hurt by Orlando Salido. Perhaps he should have won the fight, too.

Whatever it is, I think he made history. I had a feeling Salido would do exactly what he did- rough him up, push him around, get away with some professional tricks and stifle Lomanchenko just a bit.

The ref was a bit shit. I blame Arum for not getting a proper ref and doing a better job with working with the judges. Clearly a Salido crowd too.

I think Lomanchenko should try for a title fight again... it was a bit of a fairy-tale for him to get a shot, so soon. A bit unfair to the guys that were toiling for so long trying to get a title shot. But sometimes the market calls for the exceptional to be done in order for the ordinary to step their game up.

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Well, at least he didn't get "seriously" hurt by Orlando Salido. Perhaps he should have won the fight, too.

Whatever it is, I think he made history. I had a feeling Salido would do exactly what he did- rough him up, push him around, get away with some professional tricks and stifle Lomanchenko just a bit.

The ref was a bit shit. I blame Arum for not getting a proper ref and doing a better job with working with the judges. Clearly a Salido crowd too.

I think Lomanchenko should try for a title fight again... it was a bit of a fairy-tale for him to get a shot, so soon. A bit unfair to the guys that were toiling for so long trying to get a title shot. But sometimes the market calls for the exceptional to be done in order for the ordinary to step their game
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The ref was a bit shit? He was a freakin disgrace.He warned Loma for holding, took a point and never warned Salido or penalized him for his nut diving. Had he been deducted even 2 times for the 20 times he went to the junk this fight would have been a draw.

Sure the battle warn vet roughed him up and tried to make it ugly but it amounts to Loma fighting two guys instead of one. It may not have been as bad as Cortez in Mayweather/Hatton but I bet the two hacks go to the same bar and discus meddling.

Stepping away from that if you watch where Loma was and what he was doing it was clear to me that it was not just what Salido was doing but more to do with what Loma was not doing. He did the very thing that I was worried Rigo would do in the Donaire fight. Fight like it was an amateur contest and amateur scoring.

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Well, at least he didn't get "seriously" hurt by Orlando Salido. Perhaps he should have won the fight, too.

Whatever it is, I think he made history. I had a feeling Salido would do exactly what he did- rough him up, push him around, get away with some professional tricks and stifle Lomanchenko just a bit.

The ref was a bit shit. I blame Arum for not getting a proper ref and doing a better job with working with the judges. Clearly a Salido crowd too.

I think Lomanchenko should try for a title fight again... it was a bit of a fairy-tale for him to get a shot, so soon. A bit unfair to the guys that were toiling for so long trying to get a title shot. But sometimes the market calls for the exceptional to be done in order for the ordinary to step their game up.

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I've not seen the fight. I'll have to YouTube it to give my verdict on whether Lomanchenko should have got the decision but judging by other comments that I've read, the win for Salido does not seemed undeserved.

You know, no matter how stellar an amateur pedigree you have, there has never been a fighter, who has had ANY title shot in their second fight, NEVER MIND a world title shot.

Ray Leonard, Ali. Frazier, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, De La Hoya, Pernell Whittaker, Andre Ward, Klitschko, Roy Jones were all gold medallists at the Olympics (Yeah I know RJJ wasn't but he got ripped off in one of the worst decisions ever at an Olympic games when got robbed in the 1988 Seoul games to a home town decision, so in my eyes he is an gold medallist)

What ? Did Arum think Lomanchenko was better than these guys ?

It was an insane. Of course every fighter wants to be pushed and fight the best guys and wants a title shot A.S.A. P but you'd think Arum with all his experience (I mean Jesus Christ, Arum started promoting fights with Ali in 1966) should know that every fighter has to learn his craft.

Will Lomanchenko be another Jorge Luis Gonzalez ? Maybe. He has learnt the hard way and it's long road back for him and it's not like he was facing a Nonito Donaire or a Guillermo Rigondeaux

He was facing a guy who, if you are as great as you are being hailed to be, you should be beating.

Maybe other promoters of fighters with strong amateur credentials will take note of this and know that it's one thing being the hardest man in junior school, but pro boxing is like stepping into Shawshank prison.

Totally different

Well I got it wrong Vasyl got a lesson in pro boxing,! the ref was shocking Salido won fair or fowl
but YOU WIN SOME LOSE SOME.;D

He learned that in the PRO'S winning isn't about technical skill... it's about winning.
;D

Loma fans sourgraping till the early morning? :D

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Dude so he went low a few times. It's boxing, and loma wasnt ready for a real fight..

Lets see if he can beat Gary Russell. I think Russell is better

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Well, at least he didn't get "seriously" hurt by Orlando Salido. Perhaps he should have won the fight, too.

Whatever it is, I think he made history. I had a feeling Salido would do exactly what he did- rough him up, push him around, get away with some professional tricks and stifle Lomanchenko just a bit.

The ref was a bit shit. I blame Arum for not getting a proper ref and doing a better job with working with the judges. Clearly a Salido crowd too.

I think Lomanchenko should try for a title fight again... it was a bit of a fairy-tale for him to get a shot, so soon. A bit unfair to the guys that were toiling for so long trying to get a title shot. But sometimes the market calls for the exceptional to be done in order for the ordinary to step their game up.

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I've not seen the fight. I'll have to YouTube it to give my verdict on whether Lomanchenko should have got the decision but judging by other comments that I've read, the win for Salido does not seemed undeserved.

You know, no matter how stellar an amateur pedigree you have, there has never been a fighter, who has had ANY title shot in their second fight, NEVER MIND a world title shot.

Ray Leonard, Ali. Frazier, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, De La Hoya, Pernell Whittaker, Andre Ward, Klitschko, Roy Jones were all gold medallists at the Olympics (Yeah I know RJJ wasn't but he got ripped off in one of the worst decisions ever at an Olympic games when got robbed in the 1988 Seoul games to a home town decision, so in my eyes he is an gold medallist)

What ? Did Arum think Lomanchenko was better than these guys ?

It was an insane. Of course every fighter wants to be pushed and fight the best guys and wants a title shot A.S.A. P but you'd think Arum with all his experience (I mean Jesus Christ, Arum started promoting fights with Ali in 1966) should know that every fighter has to learn his craft.

Will Lomanchenko be another Jorge Luis Gonzalez ? Maybe. He has learnt the hard way and it's long road back for him and it's not like he was facing a Nonito Donaire or a Guillermo Rigondeaux

He was facing a guy who, if you are as great as you are being hailed to be, you should be beating.

Maybe other promoters of fighters with strong amateur credentials will take note of this and know that it's one thing being the hardest man in junior school, but pro boxing is like stepping into Shawshank prison.

Totally different

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One olympic champion fought for the heavyweight championship in his 1st fight. I believe the guy was Canadian and I believe it was against Patterson. But don't quote me on any details other than world title fight in pro debut.

Edit-after checking it was US olympian Pete Rademacher. He did indeed fight Floyd Patterson even dropping him in the 2nd before losing in 6.

I said I wanted him to lose in a previous thread.

Some fighters have worked hard and don't get title shots.

Took Terrence Crawford 23 fights to get his shot.

And then Loma walks in, still got the red pressure mark on his face from his head guard and gets a title shot.

Glad he got beat.

Just read on another forum that he's calling out Mikey Garcia.

Just kidding.;D

Wonder who really is next though :-\

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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Just read on another forum that he's calling out Mikey Garcia.

Just kidding.;D

Wonder who really is next though :-\

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It was the 800lb gorilla in the room if this back fired. At least it should have been. I think Arum and company assumed way too much going in. Be interesting to see. Either re start the start with step down in comp..or maybe a rematch??? Haven't even heard a rematch mentioned really. He's got some ama quirks to work out for sure.

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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

Just read on another forum that he's calling out Mikey Garcia.

Just kidding.;D

Wonder who really is next though :-\

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It was the 800lb gorilla in the room if this back fired. At least it should have been. I think Arum and company assumed way too much going in. Be interesting to see. Either re start the start with step down in comp..or maybe a rematch??? Haven't even heard a rematch mentioned really. He's got some ama quirks to work out for sure.

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Yeah, exactly.

Although, in some ways, a rematch is the worst thing he could do. This was a 'progress' thing and given that the whole space/ time continuum thing is a 'constant', nothing is ever really the same twice, so just move on either way.

He's obviously very good and could possibly afford to throw a couple of early L's in the bag but he's also got to think about keeping the promoters happy and so really, they'll have to go back to the safer route of marketing their guy with smaller wins.

Unless, he actually does insist in calling out someone like Mikey Garcia :o

Salido and Russell are fighting for the vacant WBO belt next, right?

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Originally Posted by VG_Addict

Salido and Russell are fighting for the vacant WBO belt next, right?

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Nope. Salido is moving up to 130. That's one of the reasons why he didnt care to make weight.

Sucker got what he deserves!

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Well, at least he didn't get "seriously" hurt by Orlando Salido. Perhaps he should have won the fight, too.

Whatever it is, I think he made history. I had a feeling Salido would do exactly what he did- rough him up, push him around, get away with some professional tricks and stifle Lomanchenko just a bit.

The ref was a bit shit. I blame Arum for not getting a proper ref and doing a better job with working with the judges. Clearly a Salido crowd too.

I think Lomanchenko should try for a title fight again... it was a bit of a fairy-tale for him to get a shot, so soon. A bit unfair to the guys that were toiling for so long trying to get a title shot. But sometimes the market calls for the exceptional to be done in order for the ordinary to step their game up.

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I've not seen the fight. I'll have to YouTube it to give my verdict on whether Lomanchenko should have got the decision but judging by other comments that I've read, the win for Salido does not seemed undeserved.

You know, no matter how stellar an amateur pedigree you have, there has never been a fighter, who has had ANY title shot in their second fight, NEVER MIND a world title shot.

Ray Leonard, Ali. Frazier, Lennox Lewis, Foreman, De La Hoya, Pernell Whittaker, Andre Ward, Klitschko, Roy Jones were all gold medallists at the Olympics (Yeah I know RJJ wasn't but he got ripped off in one of the worst decisions ever at an Olympic games when got robbed in the 1988 Seoul games to a home town decision, so in my eyes he is an gold medallist)

What ? Did Arum think Lomanchenko was better than these guys ?

It was an insane. Of course every fighter wants to be pushed and fight the best guys and wants a title shot A.S.A. P but you'd think Arum with all his experience (I mean Jesus Christ, Arum started promoting fights with Ali in 1966) should know that every fighter has to learn his craft.

Will Lomanchenko be another Jorge Luis Gonzalez ? Maybe. He has learnt the hard way and it's long road back for him and it's not like he was facing a Nonito Donaire or a Guillermo Rigondeaux

He was facing a guy who, if you are as great as you are being hailed to be, you should be beating.

Maybe other promoters of fighters with strong amateur credentials will take note of this and know that it's one thing being the hardest man in junior school, but pro boxing is like stepping into Shawshank prison.

Totally different

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One olympic champion fought for the heavyweight championship in his 1st fight. I believe the guy was Canadian and I believe it was against Patterson. But don't quote me on any details other than world title fight in pro debut.

Edit-after checking it was US olympian Pete Rademacher. He did indeed fight Floyd Patterson even dropping him in the 2nd before losing in 6.

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I stand corrected

But Pete Rademacher was KO-ed by Floyd Patterson and he was KO-ed in his next fight to Zora Folley and pretty much drifted off into obscurity