Why 'Era vs Era' will always be an erroneous talking point...

There have been many other opinions of he past such as 'toughness' and 'sports nutrition' but I want to add a more philosophical element to the argument.

Firstly, I would like to preface my opinion with two quotes:

One is "Man is the measure of all things" -Protagoras (480-411 BCE)

The other is one that I put a lot of philosophical faith in to yet (alas) I'm not exactly sure who it was who said that ''all things are relative''.

How this impacts on my perception of the whole 'past v present' or even 'present v future' is that there have been (and always will be) fighters that stood out, way above the crowd for either their success and/ or their style of fighting, some of which are maestros - inspirational originators of sorts. Fighters that in hindsight, where before their time (in some cases way before their time).

Not just boxing, all sports.

We also forget that the past philosophy, means and methods of both fighters and trainers are passed on, inherited and developed upon.

What a fighter currently exhibits is wholly testament to all that has proceeded him.

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Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus

There have been many other opinions of he past such as 'toughness' and 'sports nutrition' but I want to add a more philosophical element to the argument.

Firstly, I would like to preface my opinion with two quotes:

One is "Man is the measure of all things" -Protagoras (480-411 BCE)

The other is one that I put a lot of philosophical faith in to yet (alas) I'm not exactly sure who it was who said that ''all things are relative''.

How this impacts on my perception of the whole 'past v present' or even 'present v future' is that there have been (and always will be) fighters that stood out, way above the crowd for either their success and/ or their style of fighting, some of which are maestros - inspirational originators of sorts. Fighters that in hindsight, where before their time (in some cases way before their time).

Not just boxing, all sports.

We also forget that the past philosophy, means and methods of both fighters and trainers are passed on, inherited and developed upon.

What a fighter currently exhibits is wholly testament to all that has proceeded him.

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Yup. Someone is gonna do the rope a dope better, shoulder roll better, the drop left hook better, the peak a boo better, etc, etc....
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I think the WWs from the 80s and other fighters from the early to mid 90s were the best of all time and nobody in the future will surpass it. .. that is my boxing standard..

Can't wait to read the dumb shit MaxPower and Finito are gonna regurgitate on this thread.

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Can't wait to read the dumb shit MaxPower and Finito are gonna regurgitate on this thread.

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Says the guy whose near last place on the saddoleague lol.. how is the air down there, rocco.. u should be getting used to it haha..

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...h-28-june.html

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Can't wait to read the dumb shit MaxPower and Finito are gonna regurgitate on this thread.

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Says the guy whose near last place on the saddoleague lol.. how is the air down there, rocco.. u should be getting used to it haha..

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...h-28-june.html

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I'm not off to a good start but you're the one who claims to NEVER be out of the top 10! HAHA...
You even scored lower than me this week! Pathetic!

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Can't wait to read the dumb shit MaxPower and Finito are gonna regurgitate on this thread.

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Says the guy whose near last place on the saddoleague lol.. how is the air down there, rocco.. u should be getting used to it haha..

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...h-28-june.html

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I'm not off to a good start but you're the one who claims to NEVER be out of the top 10! HAHA...
You even scored lower than me this week! Pathetic!

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U scored one more point than i did haha.. whatever makes u feel better, kiddo.

And besides, its the overall leaderboard ranking that counts.. one week, two week of success means nothing. U should know that by now..

But for now, you are all the way at the bottom.. hahaha there are guys who usually suck on the league that are ahead of u right now, kiddo..

U better step up ur game if u dont wanna keep losing to journeymans..

U are a diswasher right now son lol. Now go wash ur hands and make me a sandwich.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...h-28-june.html

Keep crying haha

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Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita

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Originally Posted by ruthless rocco

Can't wait to read the dumb shit MaxPower and Finito are gonna regurgitate on this thread.

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Says the guy whose near last place on the saddoleague lol.. how is the air down there, rocco.. u should be getting used to it haha..

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...h-28-june.html

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I'm not off to a good start but you're the one who claims to NEVER be out of the top 10! HAHA...
You even scored lower than me this week! Pathetic!

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U scored one more point than i did haha.. whatever makes u feel better, kiddo.

And besides, its the overall leaderboard ranking that counts.. one week, two week of success means nothing. U should know that by now..

But for now, you are all the way at the bottom.. hahaha there are guys who usually suck on the league that are ahead of u right now, kiddo..

U better step up ur game if u dont wanna keep losing to journeymans..

U are a diswasher right now son lol. Now go wash ur hands and make me a sandwich.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...h-28-june.html

Keep crying haha

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blah blah blah....

Look I'm all up for differences of opinion, but when some guys claim stuff that is so far beyond belief that it's out of the realm of possibility even in theory (like the latest piece of shit thread that 1930's CW sized boxer Joe Louis could beat somebody like Riddick fucking Bowe, or even compete with him properly, well that's just asylum type stuff.

Fuck in that universe Floyd probably would chop down Tyson Fury lol

three points on this:

1. We can't compare like for like in the heavyweights. Let's take the Louis/Bowe example. If Riddick Bowe had been born in the 1910's, he would not have been 6'5" and 18 stone.

If Joe Louis had been born in the late 1980's, he probably would have been 6'5" and 18 stone.

Improvements in diet and nutrition has made that much of a difference over 2 or 3 generations.

2. We certainly can't compare like for like in the other weight divisions. Sports science has really moved on here, and the weigh ins are not now just before the fight, which means that someone like Sergio Martinez is a gigantic "middleweight" who would have been at least a light heavy anytime before the 1980s.

Most boxers now weigh anything up to a stone and a half over the permitted wight limits by the time they get into the ring. So comparing Saul Alvarez to Willie Pep doesn't make any sense at all.

3. The fight game is different now. Fighters used to fight a couple of times per month to earn a living. They were therefore always in decent shape, but not as well training as a modern fighter who will train for three months for one specific fighter. That's why they used to have more losses, they fought more often and against all sorts of standards of fighter.

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Originally Posted by Max Power

Look I'm all up for differences of opinion, but when some guys claim stuff that is so far beyond belief that it's out of the realm of possibility even in theory (like the latest piece of shit thread that 1930's CW sized boxer Joe Louis could beat somebody like Riddick fucking Bowe, or even compete with him properly, well that's just asylum type stuff.

Fuck in that universe Floyd probably would chop down Tyson Fury lol

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so you are only up for differences of opinions if they fit your standard of limited intelligence? thats basically what you said in this post.

All the logic and arguments in the world will never stop the era vs. era conversations, especially in a sport like boxing. So why fight it? If you can't beat'em, join'em.

That being said... the current HW era sucks!!

I'm not trying to change opinions - far too long in the tooth for that. Just want to add a deeper liner of thought to the debate.

So far I've seen "agree" or "meh" ;D