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I've been watching Money since he first turn pro. To me Floyd is on a very short list of the P4P all time greats. He is the greatest fighter I've seen since Ray Leonard. He has beat everyone they put in front of him. If fact it was years before Money even loss a round. To me he is up there with Ray Robinson as a all time great. If I'm wrong please tell me. I respect everyone views so let's hear it.
When you see someone who claims that Mayweather is not an ATG, or that he's not in the top 20 p4p of all time, you can remember their names and then when you see them posting in a thread you can save your time and skip over it, because they'll have nothing insightful to say about anything boxing related.
Floyd can make so many adjustments.
I felt his punches werent as accurate but you can credit maidana for that.
Floyd chose to exchange and the headbutt lost him a couple of rds but imo it was still a close fight.
Floyd still has 3 fights left to cement his legacy
Floyd IS an all time great... was an all time great by the time he beat DLH.... that is undisputable.
Floyd has NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, left to prove in this game other than give us, the fans, awkward fights for us to see him do his thing.
Sad boxing isn't like other sports- sports where you don't get hit in the head with a glove, that really feels like a loaded bean-bag, at about 15 mph.
No, Mayweather's not all All-Time Great.
He's a very good defensive boxer, but not a Great fighter.
One of the most well-schooled nowadays.
Too many top guys that he didn't fight, or didn't fight in their prime.
He always stacked the deck in every way imaginable.
An All-Time Great should have Great takedown defense, and Mayweather certainly doesn't have that as evidenced by how easily Maidana tackled him and took him down so easily in the 11th rd last night, and Floyd doesn't know how to breakfall properly either, breakfall to protect oneself. Yep, Rousey by armbar if that fight ever happened...
He's a first ballot Hall of Fame fighter.
Without a doubt. He's beaten the likes of Hatton, Judah, Corrales, Marquez, Cotto, Canelo, Genaro, and Guerrero.
If he beats the Thurman-Porter winner, Lara if he beats Canelo, and the winner of Cotto-Martinez, he'll be a top 20 ATG.
He's definitely an ATG but on the bottom of the list near Whitaker...
He's clearly below the likes of Leonard and Duran..
LOL, only then eh? Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?Quote:
Originally Posted by VG_Addict
1. Sugar Ray RobinsonQuote:
Care to name 20 guys who deserved to be ranked above Mayweather p4p of all time?
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Joe Louis
5. Roberto Duran
6. Willie Pep
7. Harry Greb
8. Benny Leonard
9. Manny Pacquiao
9. Sugar Ray Leonard
10. Pernell Whitaker
11. Carlos Monzon
12. Rocky Marciano
13. Ezzard Charles
14. Archie Moore
15. Sandy Saddler
16. Jack Dempsey
17. Marvin Hagler
18. Julio Cesar Chavez
19. Eder Jofre
20. Alexis Arguello
21. Barney Ross
22. Evander Holyfield
23. Ike Williams
24. Salvador Sanchez
25. George Foreman
26. Kid Gavilian
27. Larry Holmes
I think if mayweather is not rated as an all time great then it's impossible to be rated as an atg in this generation... Not sure what else he can do, he's 37 and still beating guys who gain 18.5 pounds after the weigh in whilst floyd is only gaining 2.. It was a tough fight for sure but I dont think it can be branded as a robbery at all.. He has a great record and even though he is small for a welterweight he even went up to 154(well 152 really :S) and beat the highly rated/hyped, young and huge alvarez.. Mayweather is top class and still going great.. Maybe he didn't get every huge fight made but it does take a lot of people to make the fights not just the fighters, with all the promoter and management nonsense I think floyds done fine with the guys he's taken on....
I don't know enough about boxing history to say where he would rank but he has looked pretty great to me, just my opinion though
I would have liked to see him against
Winky
Williams
Pacquiao
But he's beaten the man and the next man at 130(Hernandez, Corrales)
Beat the man at 135(Castillo)
Beat the man mutiple times at 147(Baldi, Shane)
Beat the man multiple times at 154(Cotto, Alvarez, DLH)
When you are champ from 1998-2014 some guys arre going to come and go without meeting. But he might be the all time record holder for beating reigning major title holders.(not sure about that but it's got to be close if not)
Thing is boxing fans are like poker players, they remember the negatives. A poker player remembers the bad beats, a boxing fan only thinks of the fights we didn't get. After a poker player retires they remember the wins. After a boxer retires we miss them and appreciate the good. I absolutely hated Leonard for beating all my favorites. Over time he's one of the fighters I respect the most. I wonder how many on here have been following long enough to remember Leonard was a "ducker" until he retired. It's f'n preposterous looking back but at the time...
Floyd is an all time great. Is he the GOAT, hell no. But truth is nobody is the GOAT. Some guys beat other guys, and some wouldn't beat others. If you mixed and matched everyone losess to someone and more likely multiple guys. Beating someone doesn't even make you better head to head. Don't believe me? Who's better Pep or Sadler?
What is this some sort of sick joke?
Floyd is not only an ATG but one of the greatest there's ever been in this sport. Beyond any real doubt.