Did Peter Quillin DUCK Matt Koborov?
Now that I read up more on Koborov, who Sergey Kovalev says he had to leave the amateur ranks because of the intense competition between himself and Koborov and Artur Beterbiyev, could it be that Quillin saw the pedigree of Koborov and decided to go the other way?
Apparently, he was being made to fight Koborov, the mandatory for the WBO MW strap that he held.
I can't believe Quillin ducked Koborov....
If Koborov, who is undefeated, had the pedigree and talent to make Kovalev quit the amateurs, no matter how long ago it was, then it has to make one wonder about the mindset, talent and durability of someone like a Koborov.
While Koborov did turn pro before Kovalev, he is the same age as Kovalev. Koborov is also a Southpaw...
Interesting.
The question must be asked now, is the reason why Kovalev was more hungrier as a pro was because he had a tougher amateur career through having to repeatedly face Koborov and Beterbiyev?
Why is it that Arum, who is known to make good decisions, held on to a possible gem in Koborov?
Was Duva too aggressive with pushing Kovalev and could have waited a little more before he made more of a splash than he already has?
Is KOVALEV in way over his head against B-Hop, even though Kovalev has obliterated top talent throughout his career already??
Questions, questions, questions....
Re: Did Peter Quillin DUCK Matt Koborov?
I highly doubt it, Quillin was going to make a very nice payday for the fight. Pretty sure it was a case of Haymon scrapping the whole event after being outbid on the thing, maybe that was his plan all along. I'm sure you've already read that this is what happened from several other posters on here though, and this is just another one of your dummy threads.
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p4pking
I highly doubt it, Quillin was going to make a very nice payday for the fight. Pretty sure it was a case of Haymon scrapping the whole event after being outbid on the thing, maybe that was his plan all along. I'm sure you've already read that this is what happened from several other posters on here though, and this is just another one of your dummy threads.
Risk vs. Reward... losing to Koborov, while he is good, would put Quillin to the middle of the pack at least. Sure, it would have been a payday then- but what about 4 fights down the line?
If Quillin shockingly lost to Koborov, he would not longer be as marketable.
Saying Haymon had issues is just an easy cop out, and only an idiot would believe that as the overall reason.
Quillin dropped a belt... a major belt... plus money... vs a guy we now know as more dangerous than his record and lack of media hype suggests.
Looking at it now, it had the makings of a Jermaine Taylor/Kelly Pavlik thing to it....
Re: Did Peter Quillin DUCK Matt Koborov?
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p4pking
I highly doubt it, Quillin was going to make a very nice payday for the fight. Pretty sure it was a case of Haymon scrapping the whole event after being outbid on the thing, maybe that was his plan all along. I'm sure you've already read that this is what happened from several other posters on here though, and this is just another one of your dummy threads.
Risk vs. Reward... losing to Koborov, while he is good, would put Quillin to the middle of the pack at least. Sure, it would have been a payday then- but what about 4 fights down the line?
If Quillin shockingly lost to Koborov, he would not longer be as marketable.
Saying Haymon had issues is just an easy cop out, and only an idiot would believe that as the overall reason.
Quillin dropped a belt... a major belt... plus money... vs a guy we now know as more dangerous than his record and lack of media hype suggests.
Looking at it now, it had the makings of a Jermaine Taylor/Kelly Pavlik thing to it....
No it was all to do with Al Haymon. Korobov was a stellar amateur but hasnt progressed as he should. Quillin would be a strong favorite so risk v reward would mean the fight makes sense. Low risk for big reward. Your threads are getting worse and worse
Re: Did Peter Quillin DUCK Matt Koborov?
Al Hayman ducked Koborov on behalf of Quillin the muppet champion in more ways than one.
Re: Did Peter Quillin DUCK Matt Koborov?
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p4pking
I highly doubt it, Quillin was going to make a very nice payday for the fight. Pretty sure it was a case of Haymon scrapping the whole event after being outbid on the thing, maybe that was his plan all along. I'm sure you've already read that this is what happened from several other posters on here though, and this is just another one of your dummy threads.
Risk vs. Reward... losing to Koborov, while he is good, would put Quillin to the middle of the pack at least. Sure, it would have been a payday then- but what about 4 fights down the line?
If Quillin shockingly lost to Koborov, he would not longer be as marketable.
Saying Haymon had issues is just an easy cop out, and only an idiot would believe that as the overall reason.
Quillin dropped a belt... a major belt... plus money... vs a guy we now know as more dangerous than his record and lack of media hype suggests.
Looking at it now, it had the makings of a Jermaine Taylor/Kelly Pavlik thing to it....
No it was all to do with Al Haymon. Korobov was a stellar amateur but hasnt progressed as he should. Quillin would be a strong favorite so risk v reward would mean the fight makes sense. Low risk for big reward. Your threads are getting worse and worse
I don't feel Koborov is the stiff folks make him out to be. He is undefeated. Fights for Top Rank. Amateur standout. Southpaw. Ranked #1 by the WBO ahead of very good fighters that the world clamors about.
His one knock is the apparent lack of bone crushing power, like GGG or Kovalev. But he's winning fights.... and losing very, very few rounds.
He's the prototypical boxer... not much of a puncher... but a good boxer.
Risk vs. Reward in that IF Quillin were to lose, and he has more to lose from losing than from winning, he loses more in the long run than Koborov would by losing.
You assume that Quillin would WIN... I'm not so sure now he would have won, hands down. That's my thing now that I look back at it.
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Silkeyjoe
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ykdadamaja
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p4pking
I highly doubt it, Quillin was going to make a very nice payday for the fight. Pretty sure it was a case of Haymon scrapping the whole event after being outbid on the thing, maybe that was his plan all along. I'm sure you've already read that this is what happened from several other posters on here though, and this is just another one of your dummy threads.
Risk vs. Reward... losing to Koborov, while he is good, would put Quillin to the middle of the pack at least. Sure, it would have been a payday then- but what about 4 fights down the line?
If Quillin shockingly lost to Koborov, he would not longer be as marketable.
Saying Haymon had issues is just an easy cop out, and only an idiot would believe that as the overall reason.
Quillin dropped a belt... a major belt... plus money... vs a guy we now know as more dangerous than his record and lack of media hype suggests.
Looking at it now, it had the makings of a Jermaine Taylor/Kelly Pavlik thing to it....
No it was all to do with Al Haymon. Korobov was a stellar amateur but hasnt progressed as he should. Quillin would be a strong favorite so risk v reward would mean the fight makes sense. Low risk for big reward. Your threads are getting worse and worse
I don't feel Koborov is the stiff folks make him out to be. He is undefeated. Fights for Top Rank. Amateur standout. Southpaw. Ranked #1 by the WBO ahead of very good fighters that the world clamors about.
His one knock is the apparent lack of bone crushing power, like GGG or Kovalev. But he's winning fights.... and losing very, very few rounds.
He's the prototypical boxer... not much of a puncher... but a good boxer.
Risk vs. Reward in that IF Quillin were to lose, and he has more to lose from losing than from winning, he loses more in the long run than Koborov would by losing.
You assume that Quillin would WIN... I'm not so sure now he would have won, hands down. That's my thing now that I look back at it.
He was going to get 7 figs for this fight. Instead who will he fight for more money? Jacobs? Be close to same money with more risk. GGG? Will get more money but a lot bigger risk. Not many other middles where he will get a 7 fig payday. Cotto the only one that comes to mind but fight extremely unlikely.
Korobov is a very good fighter but you are going to have to defend world titles against very good fighters
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ykdadamaja
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Silkeyjoe
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ykdadamaja
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p4pking
I highly doubt it, Quillin was going to make a very nice payday for the fight. Pretty sure it was a case of Haymon scrapping the whole event after being outbid on the thing, maybe that was his plan all along. I'm sure you've already read that this is what happened from several other posters on here though, and this is just another one of your dummy threads.
Risk vs. Reward... losing to Koborov, while he is good, would put Quillin to the middle of the pack at least. Sure, it would have been a payday then- but what about 4 fights down the line?
If Quillin shockingly lost to Koborov, he would not longer be as marketable.
Saying Haymon had issues is just an easy cop out, and only an idiot would believe that as the overall reason.
Quillin dropped a belt... a major belt... plus money... vs a guy we now know as more dangerous than his record and lack of media hype suggests.
Looking at it now, it had the makings of a Jermaine Taylor/Kelly Pavlik thing to it....
No it was all to do with Al Haymon. Korobov was a stellar amateur but hasnt progressed as he should. Quillin would be a strong favorite so risk v reward would mean the fight makes sense. Low risk for big reward. Your threads are getting worse and worse
I don't feel Koborov is the stiff folks make him out to be. He is undefeated. Fights for Top Rank. Amateur standout. Southpaw. Ranked #1 by the WBO ahead of very good fighters that the world clamors about.
His one knock is the apparent lack of bone crushing power, like GGG or Kovalev. But he's winning fights.... and losing very, very few rounds.
He's the prototypical boxer... not much of a puncher... but a good boxer.
Risk vs. Reward in that IF Quillin were to lose, and he has more to lose from losing than from winning, he loses more in the long run than Koborov would by losing.
You assume that Quillin would WIN... I'm not so sure now he would have won, hands down. That's my thing now that I look back at it.
He was going to get 7 figs for this fight. Instead who will he fight for more money? Jacobs? Be close to same money with more risk. GGG? Will get more money but a lot bigger risk. Not many other middles where he will get a 7 fig payday. Cotto the only one that comes to mind but fight extremely unlikely.
Korobov is a very good fighter but you are going to have to defend world titles against very good fighters
I think losing to Danny Jacobs would be more believable to re-sell and re-package Quillin, and still make the money, and still be a contender for a belt.
Let's face it- Floyd Mayweather has made fighting for belts meaningless if one can market one's self over the sanctioning organizations.
Fighting just for belts these days are for the naïve. Long term money with a marketable name is what these guys are all about these days, and with Ring Mag, still be recognized as a champion or quality fighter of sorts.
Guys like Broner, Holyfield, Rahman and Mosely made extra-money for years by just being marketable- forget a belt.
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It's simple. If the guy was no threat and there was no risk, then no matter what the fight is made for that price. Use common sense. U don't turn down guaranteed money. There was definite risk and Quillin ducked him. Whether it was Quillin or Haymon who decided is irrelevant. The guy was a mandatory, it went to bid and a career high payday was agreed to, and Quillin backed out. It quacks n walks like one, it is a duck.
That's how I saw it too. Koborov may have shocked some and may have had the ability to out-box Quillin.
This takes Quillin down a peg for me... should have never dropped the belt, and the money, just for nothing.
Haymon isn't that stupid to let anger get in the way of money. Something other than Jay Z wasn't right about the Koborov fight.
