Wladimir Klitchsko hates lateral movement!

Well, he can't fight a guy effectively that has lateral movement, even moderately.

What he likes is for guys to come forward to him, or move straight back. Once Klit dominates the centre of the ring, he can do that all night.

This is why I think Pulev offers a very interesting match-up for Wlad. Because Pulev has the ability to move backwards very quickly, he gets in with his punches quickly- not that he has tremendous hand speed, but his foot work puts him in position to land shots before his opponent has a chance to get off.

Also, more importantly, Pulev can move off of the back foot laterally. Yes. Some guys can move laterally, and side to side, in a circular motion. Some can even move side to side in close. But, Pulev can move laterally while he is back pedalling. This is key. Key because he can throw punches moving back wards- albeit not effectively as some of the other guys- but he can also move side to side while on the back foot, which gets him out of the way of Wlad's attack.

For me, going into this fight if I were Pulev, would be ring size. I would want an 18ft ring or more, if possible.

Secondly, and more difficult to have on your side, is to lobby the referee to watch out for this excessive holding- and deduct points if need be for too much of it.

Talk to the judges too and if the ref doesn't call it, make sure the judges have an eye out for it and to not to give Wlad close or inactive rounds just because.

Pulev can win this if he comes in not exactly ready to fight toe to toe, but if he comes prepared to move and be missing- like Haye tried in his fight with Wlad and before his toe got the better of him.

If all of this can be done, then Pulev can win a UD or a Split and the title.

I will not say that Pulev can't win....but the odds weigh heavy against him and for good reason.

Ring size, referee, judges....I wouldn't put too much faith in any of those saving Pulev or playing a helping hand one way or another. Sure Wladimir has been called for holding before, sure he's lost a point or two for it in the past, but Wlad isn't stupid, that's why he's still champion. The ref sets a baseline for how the fight is allowed to go Tony Weeks is reffing this fight, I think he's a good pro, he allows the guys to fight without stepping in all the time.


Wladimir fought and beat Chris Byrd twice. I would rater Chris Byrd as one of the best defensive fighters the heavyweight division has seen in a long time. Lots of movement, lots of stamina, trying to use angles.....but the jab is the key and once that finds a home then Wladimir's opponent is done for.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

I will not say that Pulev can't win....but the odds weigh heavy against him and for good reason.

Ring size, referee, judges....I wouldn't put too much faith in any of those saving Pulev or playing a helping hand one way or another. Sure Wladimir has been called for holding before, sure he's lost a point or two for it in the past, but Wlad isn't stupid, that's why he's still champion. The ref sets a baseline for how the fight is allowed to go Tony Weeks is reffing this fight, I think he's a good pro, he allows the guys to fight without stepping in all the time.


Wladimir fought and beat Chris Byrd twice. I would rater Chris Byrd as one of the best defensive fighters the heavyweight division has seen in a long time. Lots of movement, lots of stamina, trying to use angles.....but the jab is the key and once that finds a home then Wladimir's opponent is done for.

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flippin ek, its like a moment of clarity for you

for once we agree on wlad klit

pulev has absolutely no chance of winning the fight because of the corrupt ref and judges

im really proud of you, well done

Tony Weeks isn't corrupt, he's a good ref who knows that HE isn't the reason fans are there.

erics44, you're a horrible troll really

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Tony Weeks isn't corrupt, he's a good ref who knows that HE isn't the reason fans are there.

erics44, you're a horrible troll really

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i dont understand your post then

and im not really into all this geek talk but a troll is someone who says things on the internet to deliberately wind people up is that right? your views on wlad klit are a little radical, things like he doesnt hold that much and the sam peter fight was a master class of boxing

if anyone is a troll id say it was you

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Originally Posted by erics44

i dont understand your post then

and im not really into all this geek talk but a troll is someone who says things on the internet to deliberately wind people up is that right? your views on wlad klit are a little radical, things like he doesnt hold that much and the sam peter fight was a master class of boxing

if anyone is a troll id say it was you

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That's a shock :rolleyes:


Kind of like suggesting Frank Bruno is the greatest of all time?

My views on Wladimir Klitschko are pragmatic. Wladimir has had only 2 points deducted from him in his last 21 fights over 10 years under the refereeing of: Eddie Cotton, Luis Pabon, Ernie Sharif, Sam Williams, Genaro Rodriguez, Robert Byrd, Tony Weeks, Joe Cortez, Wayne Kelly, Randy Neumann, Daniel Van De Wiele, and Jay Nady. So which referees are "corrupt"? Wlad only had 5 decisions in that span....which of the judges are "corrupt"?

I never said that the Sam Peter match was "a master class of boxing", Wladimir did box better and because of that he won the fight despite suffering knock downs due to blows behind the head. Wladimir was at the lowest point in his career after suffering 2 knockout losses, he took the fight against Sam Peter who was widely recognized at "the next big thing" in the heavyweight division, Wladimir conquered his demons, survived a few knockdowns, and won the fight. A fight nobody expected him to win.


You're a troll and what's worse is you're a ginger as well and you have no soul

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

What he likes is for guys to come forward to him, or move straight back.

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I think that can be said for every boxer who ever lived though? I mean who really likes guys moving around and being elusive?

Wlad is a complete fighter not spectacular but very good and consistent. Any of the great champions would have a tough time beating him. I think the only thing that beats him is boredom and age.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

I will not say that Pulev can't win....but the odds weigh heavy against him and for good reason.

Ring size, referee, judges....I wouldn't put too much faith in any of those saving Pulev or playing a helping hand one way or another. Sure Wladimir has been called for holding before, sure he's lost a point or two for it in the past, but Wlad isn't stupid, that's why he's still champion. The ref sets a baseline for how the fight is allowed to go Tony Weeks is reffing this fight, I think he's a good pro, he allows the guys to fight without stepping in all the time.


Wladimir fought and beat Chris Byrd twice. I would rater Chris Byrd as one of the best defensive fighters the heavyweight division has seen in a long time. Lots of movement, lots of stamina, trying to use angles.....but the jab is the key and once that finds a home then Wladimir's opponent is done for.

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Here is where Pulev is different from Bryd- Pulev can punch a little harder and not as easy to hold down.

When facing Byrd, all Klit had to do was stalk him down- round for round. Byrd couldn't dodge them all, and neither could Pulev, but I would think Pulev could take a Wlad shot, land a harder shot, and counter-punch a little more effectively than Byrd.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by erics44

i dont understand your post then

and im not really into all this geek talk but a troll is someone who says things on the internet to deliberately wind people up is that right? your views on wlad klit are a little radical, things like he doesnt hold that much and the sam peter fight was a master class of boxing

if anyone is a troll id say it was you

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That's a shock :rolleyes:


Kind of like suggesting Frank Bruno is the greatest of all time?

My views on Wladimir Klitschko are pragmatic. Wladimir has had only 2 points deducted from him in his last 21 fights over 10 years under the refereeing of: Eddie Cotton, Luis Pabon, Ernie Sharif, Sam Williams, Genaro Rodriguez, Robert Byrd, Tony Weeks, Joe Cortez, Wayne Kelly, Randy Neumann, Daniel Van De Wiele, and Jay Nady. So which referees are "corrupt"? Wlad only had 5 decisions in that span....which of the judges are "corrupt"?

I never said that the Sam Peter match was "a master class of boxing", Wladimir did box better and because of that he won the fight despite suffering knock downs due to blows behind the head. Wladimir was at the lowest point in his career after suffering 2 knockout losses, he took the fight against Sam Peter who was widely recognized at "the next big thing" in the heavyweight division, Wladimir conquered his demons, survived a few knockdowns, and won the fight. A fight nobody expected him to win.


You're a troll and what's worse is you're a ginger as well and you have no soul

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Did :)

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Originally Posted by ykdadamaja

Here is where Pulev is different from Bryd- Pulev can punch a little harder and not as easy to hold down.

When facing Byrd, all Klit had to do was stalk him down- round for round. Byrd couldn't dodge them all, and neither could Pulev, but I would think Pulev could take a Wlad shot, land a harder shot, and counter-punch a little more effectively than Byrd.

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Byrd was easy to hold down? Chris Byrd is one of the slickest heavyweight boxers of the last 20 years. He was like Michael Dokes minus the cocaine addiction. Byrd fought anyone and everyone.

I'm sorry but Kubrat Pulev hasn't been tested against the top of the division. Sure he fought Thompson, but other than that who is there on his resume? Dimitrenko? Travis Walker? I mean I guess those are OK guys to attempt to prepare yourself for Wladimir Klitschko, because 1 is big and the other can punch, but it's not the same. Maybe Ustinov as well, but shit again he's not even close to the skill level of Wlad.

Wlad isn't JUST a big guy, Chris Byrd said it best: "When the bell rings he starts using his height and reach to his advantage. He has been dominating the division because of height and reach and skill set...and making it look very easy. And people say 'he's boring he does this, he does that', no Wladimir is just smart. Punch through the guard with his jab, a very powerful jab, setting up the right hand and he waits on it. He doesn't waste a right hand, sets it up, keep the height and reach, get through the guard with the jab then right hand and down they go."

Pulev might be dangerous to Povetkin, or Jennings, or Wilder, or Stiverne, or Fury....but I don't see that special something that will trouble Wladimir....maybe he has it and hasn't shown it yet, but I'm looking at the 2 fighters and all I can see is Wladimir Klitschko continuing to dominate and scoring a mid-late round stoppage I'll say round 8 or there abouts....it will depend on how open Kubrat is, how much he pressures Wlad, and if he can take a punch.

At this point right now Pulev reminds me a bit of Sergei Lyakhovich bar the KO loss to a questionable opponent in Maurice Harris.

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Here is where Pulev is different from Bryd- Pulev can punch a little harder and not as easy to hold down.

When facing Byrd, all Klit had to do was stalk him down- round for round. Byrd couldn't dodge them all, and neither could Pulev, but I would think Pulev could take a Wlad shot, land a harder shot, and counter-punch a little more effectively than Byrd.

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Byrd was easy to hold down? Chris Byrd is one of the slickest heavyweight boxers of the last 20 years. He was like Michael Dokes minus the cocaine addiction. Byrd fought anyone and everyone.

I'm sorry but Kubrat Pulev hasn't been tested against the top of the division. Sure he fought Thompson, but other than that who is there on his resume? Dimitrenko? Travis Walker? I mean I guess those are OK guys to attempt to prepare yourself for Wladimir Klitschko, because 1 is big and the other can punch, but it's not the same. Maybe Ustinov as well, but shit again he's not even close to the skill level of Wlad.

Wlad isn't JUST a big guy, Chris Byrd said it best: "When the bell rings he starts using his height and reach to his advantage. He has been dominating the division because of height and reach and skill set...and making it look very easy. And people say 'he's boring he does this, he does that', no Wladimir is just smart. Punch through the guard with his jab, a very powerful jab, setting up the right hand and he waits on it. He doesn't waste a right hand, sets it up, keep the height and reach, get through the guard with the jab then right hand and down they go."

Pulev might be dangerous to Povetkin, or Jennings, or Wilder, or Stiverne, or Fury....but I don't see that special something that will trouble Wladimir....maybe he has it and hasn't shown it yet, but I'm looking at the 2 fighters and all I can see is Wladimir Klitschko continuing to dominate and scoring a mid-late round stoppage I'll say round 8 or there abouts....it will depend on how open Kubrat is, how much he pressures Wlad, and if he can take a punch.

At this point right now Pulev reminds me a bit of Sergei Lyakhovich bar the KO loss to a questionable opponent in Maurice Harris.

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It was proven by Vitali, Ibeabuchi, Wlad and especially for a good comparison, Povetkin, all you had to do is keep coming at Byrd and pin him down with hard shots. He's gonna wear down round by round. It's like catching a juvenile cat... sure, it's fast for a while. But, sooner or later, you are gonna get it.

With regard to Ibeabuchi, he kept on pushing forward until he landed the bomb. Vitali, Wlad and Povetkin just stalked him down and pounded on him when they had him. Something Tua couldn't do, because at that time he was a shorter punching, lazy fighter.

But Wlad won't be able to stalk Pulev down to wear him down like that. Pulev is just stronger than Byrd.

Pulev will get knocked out like the rest of the division

Unfortunately Lyle is right. How many times have we pumped up an upcoming Wlad opponent, in the hopes that at least they'll put up a competitive fight..... only to be extremely disappointed come fight night? Talk is cheap. They can say they'll do this.... they can say they'll do that. But many have talked a lot, only to come into the ring like so many timid sheep, waiting for the hammer to fall. And I don't even like Wlad's reign as champion. But dammit.... at some point the finger has to pointed at the opponents. Povetkin is the only one (most recent) that stands out in my mind as actually coming in to fight, which of course made Wlad resort to the worst type of grappling and fouling tactics. Pulev will get TKO'ed, and we'll forget all about him and start pumping up the next victim.

Pulev can do it. If Pulev can't do it, no one can. He has a great chance of winning a UD in this one. Wlad faked an injury for a reason.