10-9 round with a knockdown?
Are ringside judges obligated to take a point from a fighter for what the ref rules a knockdown?
I'm re-watching Pacquiao-Algieri, and in regards to the two times when Pacquiao is credited with a knockdown though it appears more likely that Algieri slipped, would a judge have to score that round 10-8 if that was the only "knockdown" in the round? Could they score it 10-9 for Pacquiao instead? In other words, if a judge believes the ref made the wrong call and it should've been a slip, can the judge essentially ignore the ref's ruling when it comes time to score the round?
On a related note, what about a round in which Fighter A mostly dominates the round but Fighter B gets a knockdown? Can the judge score that 10-9 for Fighter A even though he got knocked down? Or can they score it 9-9 if they think Fighter A still won the round despite getting knocked down? Or do they have to score it 10-8 for Fighter B automatically because there was a knockdown?
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I'm not sure but a judge should NEVER be allowed to over rule a ref's decision IMO, no more so than a ref should be able to overrule a judge's decision and raise the hand of the other guy. If the ref says it's a knockdown, right or wrong it's a knockdown.
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yeah this is one solid factor in judging rounds
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100% the judges should be allowed to overrule refs!
Watch Martin J Wards fight from Saturday there, he ended up with a draw BUT he was dropped by a headbutt for 10-8 and he CLEARLY slipped on the adverts around the edge of the ring for 10-8 also.
So he would have won the fight if the judges had seen the headbutt/slip and overruled the ref.
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100% the judges should be allowed to overrule refs!
Watch Martin J Wards fight from Saturday there, he ended up with a draw BUT he was dropped by a headbutt for 10-8 and he CLEARLY slipped on the adverts around the edge of the ring for 10-8 also.
So he would have won the fight if the judges had seen the headbutt/slip and overruled the ref.
yeah but what if the judge overruled a knockdown because of a headbut that he saw and scored it 10-9 the other way but it turned out the headbutt he thought he saw was actually a punch and the fight has swung 3 points in the other fellas favour?
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Vendettos
100% the judges should be allowed to overrule refs!
Watch Martin J Wards fight from Saturday there, he ended up with a draw BUT he was dropped by a headbutt for 10-8 and he CLEARLY slipped on the adverts around the edge of the ring for 10-8 also.
So he would have won the fight if the judges had seen the headbutt/slip and overruled the ref.
yeah but what if the judge overruled a knockdown because of a headbut that he saw and scored it 10-9 the other way but it turned out the headbutt he thought he saw was actually a punch and the fight has swung 3 points in the other fellas favour?
Then that judge should be given 10 seconds to run an shot after 3.
Unfortunately that would be unfair but you'd hope that an overrule would be based on something you clearly saw.
I mean if the ref standing 3 feet away couldn't see Ward being headbutted I'm not entirely sure how the judges would see it.
Boxing is a sport with so many issues and this is just another piece of the puzzle.
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If person A dominates 2 minutes and 50 seconds of a rd and then gets dropped that's a 10/9 round. It does not have to be 2:50 but as an example.
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So it is part of the rules that a knockdown is an automatic 1-point deduction (for the guy getting knocked down), or not? That's what I'm wondering about. Are the judges bound by the rules to deduct one point for a knockdown, just like they would if they ref told them to deduct a point for low blows or something ... or is it just an unwritten rule that you take a point away from a guy who gets knocked down?
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If person A dominates 2 minutes and 50 seconds of a rd and then gets dropped that's a 10/9 round. It does not have to be 2:50 but as an example.
Surely the instance above would be a 9-9 round , no?
If you get dropped , you can't have 10 points can you, even if you win the round?
Funniest think was when Tommy Coyle fought Brizuela and they both went down 4 times, Paul Smith commentating said his scorecard looked like a Sudoku!
Of for sure. Depends on the time. Point is and in answer to the question NO, a judge is not always obligated to rule a 10/8 on a kd.
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What if a judge blows a call like in Bradley vs Prov where Bradley was down and barley hurt falling all over the place. But the ref called it a slip and ruled no knockdown could the judges declare it a KD and deduct a point. In that fight it that ruling was crucial and would have awarded Prov the win.
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The convoluted 10 point 'must' system makes it arse backwards. Theory is the winner must be awarded ten points save for a point deduct or even round etc. To me it doesn't matter if a fighter wins the majority of a round but is dropped by even a flash down. If you are dropped you -lose- a point and it has to be a 9-9. I always go to Holyfield v Moorer 1 in the second round. Dominate Moorer round, dropped hard at end and it was scored 10-10. Judges are sketchy enough and they shouldn't be jumbling numbers to adhere to what is already a matter of opinion when defining a round winner amd definitly do not need to be disregarding a refs ruling. Keep it simple
