He seems pretty sincere that if this doesn't happen that's the end for him
Froch: No Lie, If No Chavez in Las Vegas - I'll Retire! - Boxing News
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He seems pretty sincere that if this doesn't happen that's the end for him
Froch: No Lie, If No Chavez in Las Vegas - I'll Retire! - Boxing News
Money talks, and things could change, but I did say this is what would happen. He's clearly happy financially , and I genuinely believe him when he says that he can't motivate himself for the Degale fight.
I'm not a Froch fan , but there are things I respect about him, and one is that he doesn't feel that money can and should be his motivating factor for Degale, it should be about desire!
Should really push for a Ward rematch then, but he does seem quiet on that these days. He's old, fair enough, he knows his limits.
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Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
That does not really make any sense Primo. The only reason he's fighting Chavez is for the money. There is no legacy involved. If he can make close to the same money and fight Degale he would also get legacy attached and finish his career in Nottingham.
hed probly make a mint fighting degaleQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
That does not really make any sense Primo. The only reason he's fighting Chavez is for the money. There is no legacy involved. If he can make close to the same money and fight Degale he would also get legacy attached and finish his career in Nottingham.
One of the reasons for fighting Chavez was to fight in Vegas and suck up a little of the madness that is Vegas. I hope the experience, if it happens, lives up to their expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
That does not really make any sense Primo. The only reason he's fighting Chavez is for the money. There is no legacy involved. If he can make close to the same money and fight Degale he would also get legacy attached and finish his career in Nottingham.
Who knows, the experience might get the juices flowing again for Froch.
In my opinion, Froch has given plenty to boxing and his fans and deserves the right to call it quits the way he wants, without having to listening to a load of BS about legacy.
Shock Horror! I 100% agree with Erics!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44hed probly make a mint fighting degaleQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
That does not really make any sense Primo. The only reason he's fighting Chavez is for the money. There is no legacy involved. If he can make close to the same money and fight Degale he would also get legacy attached and finish his career in Nottingham.
Iaminuit, the thing is if he fights Degale, as the Champion, he's entitled to probably 80-85% of the Purse (like when he fought Groves 2nd time around.) If he fights Chavez , there won't be a title on the line because he'll be stripped of it, so it will be a 50-50 split at best. Crazy as it seems,Maybe Chavez would get more because without Chavez, there is no Vegas interest.
When Khan topped the bill at Vegas against Alexander , his purse was only reported to be $600-700K (£450k ) Froch's purse v Groves2 was £8M !!!
Even if he earnt double what Khan does (say £1m) and put that against if against Degale he earnt 30% of what he did against Groves 2 (say £2.5M) , he would be way better off fighting Degale.
Froch is only interested in Chavez (cos he thinks it's easy or very winnable.) in Vegas (cos it ticks a box) and he sees that as enhancing his legacy more. that's the way FROCH sees it Iaminuit, whether it makes sense or not.
True enough but that troubles me. So he's basically telling Chavez and the world its his last fight. When fighters do this, more often then not it ends badly. The fact that he cant get up for the act but can for a location would worry me as a handler. Now it could reinvigorate him also and I guess he could use that steam to finish off in Nottingham.Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedOne of the reasons for fighting Chavez was to fight in Vegas and suck up a little of the madness that is Vegas. I hope the experience, if it happens, lives up to their expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Primo Carnera
That does not really make any sense Primo. The only reason he's fighting Chavez is for the money. There is no legacy involved. If he can make close to the same money and fight Degale he would also get legacy attached and finish his career in Nottingham.
Who knows, the experience might get the juices flowing again for Froch.
In my opinion, Froch has given plenty to boxing and his fans and deserves the right to call it quits the way he wants, without having to listening to a load of BS about legacy.
Five years ago, he'd be all over the Degale fight.
The big lights under Vegas and to beat the legend's son is how he wants to go out, so be it.
He has earned it. Just like Lennox knew his best days were behind him-and walked away from a lucrative rematch agauinst Vitali, so too, Froch IMO is doing the same.
Eddie Hearm claims its 85% a done deal and Froch might earn around £8 million which is more than what he got in the 2nd Groves fight.
http://www.vitalboxing.com/article.asp?a=3042
I have no issues with him cashing out and riding off into the sunset via Vegas. I just dont like the way he let his opponent know that its this fight or retirement. And that he does not have the drive to fight Degale. That delivers a message to his opponent. I would hate to see Froch lose against Chavez because he was not mentally prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Going in for the big bucks and somebody he has fair chances to beat. As a last hurrah, I don't blame him for his choice.
Does it not send the opposite message? If this fight happens it's my last, I will not go out on a loss and I want a vegas win.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI have no issues with him cashing out and riding off into the sunset via Vegas. I just dont like the way he let his opponent know that its this fight or retirement. And that he does not have the drive to fight Degale. That delivers a message to his opponent. I would hate to see Froch lose against Chavez because he was not mentally prepared.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
That is a fair point. I suppose it could but again he wants a sure win in Vegas so he loads the deck with what they feel is a cash out opponent while at the same time dismissing Degale because he would not be able to find the drive or get up for the fight. So he takes what he thinks is a sure win even on a bad day to go out on a high note. Thats dangerous ground imo and it tells me that he may not put in the same work that he normally would while taking his opponent for grant it. Then there is the Vegas judges and all the interested parties that still think Chavez is still somehow the future and revenue maker after Carls gone. Carl could easily get burned.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBDoes it not send the opposite message? If this fight happens it's my last, I will not go out on a loss and I want a vegas win.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit