Jr. Welters- 1980 vs. 2012.
I dunno why these fascinate me now. Thanks to @SlimTrae . lolol.... and I am purposefully taking the Olympic year class; i.e., 1980, 1984, 2012, etc...
So, how do these people stack up:
1980
Aaron Pryor, Champion
1. Saoul Mamby
2. Jo Kimpuani
3. Lennox Blackmoore
4. Sang Hyun Kim
5. Domingo Ayala
6. Dujuan Johnson
7. Miguel Montilla
8. Willie Rodriguez
9. Bruce Curry
10. Monroe Brooks
2012
Danny (Swift) Garcia, Champion
1. Lucas Matthysse
2. Amir Khan
3. Zab Judah
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Brandon Rios
6. Khabib Allakhverdiev
7. Mike Alvarado
8. Denis Shafikov
9. Cesar Cuenca
10. Ruslan Provodnikov
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I dunno?!?! Pryor and Curry aside, I think the 2012 p4p destroys everyone else from the 1980 list. lol.... and I'm not saying Curry beats Garcia, Khan, Matthysse either...
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Mamby was a good fighter so do not discount him.
Pryor beats them all one after the other on the same night.
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Wow, Zab was ranked in 2012?!
1980's names a bit obscure, so they would be underated going in. Dujan Johnson actually was tagging Pryor in their fight if I remember. I like this video clip- because it shows how Boxing was a part of the sports landscape per telivision: CBS Brent Mussberger talking boxing right after college ball scores. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtcCtN64Us4 Dujan drops Pryor 1st round- Pryor usually was wreckless & sometimes it worked against him- But as he says: "I might get knocked down and take a count of 3,4 or 5, but my opponents get knocked out by taking a count of 8,9 or 10." Dujan was 17-0 at the time- the final clip shows that when Pryor settles down- he isnt as wild & boxes well, puts punches together in bunches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx_CCzi7VXQ Pryor has FOTY candidates with Provodnikov, Rios & Mathyyse- wins all by decision. Khan runs to a narrow loss. He Stops Alvarado. Makes Judah quit on his stool. JMM vs Pryor similar to Pryor vs Arguello- only Arguello is a (tad) bit better than JMM -due to reach. He is after all the ETM.
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Looking at that maybe Pryor was not as good as I thought.
I have not heard of most of the 80's fighters but Bruce was not as good as Donald.
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Danny (Swift) Garcia, Champion at this point is under rated by boxing fans- not sure why. He stacks up wel against the 80's lot. He is capable of beating Pryor- but Pryor's only loss was 10 years into his career with a pretty bad eye. To which is why he left the game.
Not sure when Mamby's prime was- he fought from 1969-2000 a four year hiatus at one point and then fought again in 2008.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuXiHVMSY_U 3:35 in video he uses a well timed right hand that would challenge most on the 2012 list. Particularly JMM- both fighters calculate and counter. It would've been a great chess match- but Mamby lost a lot of his greatest challenges.
Sang Hyun Kim under rated southpaw-most Asian fighters were - his only stoppages were to Mamby & Pryor which was at the end of his career https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEj-KjNMxVc Really difficult to look good against Perpetual Motion Pryor. I think Kim would've been the closest from 1980's to give the 2012 fighters a challenge. I thin his height & reach would've been a good test for Khan- His biggest win would've been against Khabib Allakhverdiev due to a sylistic matchup.
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Master
Looking at that maybe Pryor was not as good as I thought.
I have not heard of most of the 80's fighters but Bruce was not as good as Donald.
Pryor @ times was sloppy as heck. But when his step up came- Arguello: He not only went from wild to calm. He got accurate. It took alot to be able to beat Arguello- even at that stage of his career. And in case U weren't aware: It was Pryor who stopped Thomas Hearns from being an Olympian.
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@ Master- if U watch the 1st minute of the clip with MussBurger commentating- Ray leonard says it all: Pryor was moving up to FACE Ray. Ray says he has his number because Pryor kept calling out Ray. If you've ever seen HBO's Legendary Nights (friggin awesome show/documentary) Pryor steps up to the podium with Ray & calls him out. Ray moved up in weight. Serious man, Ray wanted no parts of Pryor.
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SlimTrae
@ Master- if U watch the 1st minute of the clip with MussBurger commentating- Ray leonard says it all: Pryor was moving up to FACE Ray. Ray says he has his number because Pryor kept calling out Ray. If you've ever seen HBO's Legendary Nights (friggin awesome show/documentary) Pryor steps up to the podium with Ray & calls him out. Ray moved up in weight. Serious man, Ray wanted no parts of Pryor.
Pryor was good and I remember the Alex Arguello fight, amazing.
mamby was slick and very good tecnical fighter.
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Master
Looking at that maybe Pryor was not as good as I thought.
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hahahahahaha
You don't know shit about boxing.
Typical
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Pryor vs. Matthysse would be the FIGHT OF THE CENTURY!!!
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Originally Posted by
Master
Looking at that maybe Pryor was not as good as I thought.
I have not heard of most of the 80's fighters but Bruce was not as good as Donald.
I have revisited Pryor's career many times and i think he would've struggled against the heavy hitters like Chavez & Tszyu, i doubt he would've landed a punch on Mayweather or Whitaker. It's probably a good thing for Pryor that Duran skipped Jr Welter and went straight up to 147lbs. Pryor just gets hit way too much. His best performances were against Arguello who fought most of his career at the lighter weights of Feather, Super feather and Lightweight! He certainly was exciting, but i have re-assessed his career and he has dropped a few rungs down the ladder IMO. Still, he beats the shit out of every 2012 ranked contender.
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Think Mamby in his title run...he was absolutely robbed in first attempt...does a number on the bottom five, probably a 12' Khan and Judah also. Don't judge the man on fighting in four different decades. He was schooling contenders half his age or running close into his 40's.
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Monroe Brooks and Bruce Curry did not like one another and they had a war at the Olympic Auditorium.
