If a fighter throws a punch and breaks his own arm, what is the ruling?
If a fighter before the 4th round lands a power shot which misses completely and dislocates his shoulder or hits an opponent's elbow for example and cannot continue----is it a TKO?
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brocktonblockbust
If a fighter before the 4th round lands a power shot which misses completely and dislocates his shoulder or hits an opponent's elbow for example and cannot continue----is it a TKO?
Have you seen Pascal vs Diaconu 1 brock? If not, Pascal dislocated his shoulder about 5 times in that fight and finished and fought rounds against that Romanian Lamotta one -handed. And they kept resetting it. I was cringing in my seat. Had he pulled out it would have been a tko for Adrien.
You know one of Grebs 2 stoppages in 300 fights came as a result of a broken arm against Kid Graves and Harry pulled out the round he broke it in by many accounts. They stopped the fight and Graves got the tko.
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It depends where and who you are fighting for. The British board award a TKO no matter when.
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Even though Hopkins didn't mess his shoulder by throwing a punch (Antwon Echols) fight 2 basically body slammed him. It seemed at first his shoulder was dislocated (me thinks he was kinda faking/acting)
For the next round and half Hopkins took Echols to school with one arm.
Then like a movie star karate expert...he jerked his arm...like he had the power to snap it back in place. Funny shit.
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As with Pascal, same happened to Holyfield vs Byrd.
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Pernell Whitaker suffered a freak TKO when he dislocated his shoulder during his final fight. Hop taking Echols to school with one hand was one of my favorite performances. The ref wanted to stop the fight and award Hop the DQ, but Hop was paranoid and insisted to fight on so "they" couldn't steal his title. That performance convinced me to go against the odds and bet BIG on Hop when he fought Tito. Along with Foreman (vs Moorer), best bets I ever made...
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Flanagan won his title this year this way didnt he?
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loss by.........tko ......injury retirement (RTD) it depends on the governing body over seeing the event
how the loss is worded.
Personally I prefer the RTD when it comes to a legit injury stoppage, a tko should benefit the opponents particaption and a tko loss does punish the losers time span to be able to return to the ring. Again the "body" (federation, state, region, country etc..)over seeing the event will have presidence as to time duration banning. Most times a tko will be 30 to 60 days and a KO will be 90 to 120 days.
Ray
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I seriously wish I could get the blurry footage up but I remember the sick scene of a young Gabe Ruelas having his arm wrenched and snapped by Jeff Franklin resulting in a 'tko'. Ruelas was in full control and absolutely battered Franklin in the 6th. Gabe had a way of following through with long punches, his right was like a tumbling brick here. He dropped him hard and Franklin gets up howling and points at the camera with a bloody face. Franklin gets hurt again badly right before the bell and stumbles down. In the next round the beating continues then somewhere along the way Gabe's right arm suddenly goes lame, he literally is dragging it and cannot raise hand above beltline. Joe Goosen between rounds goes ballistic...he says glue it to your head and go all left jabs and hooks. Goosen had a way of raging. Says he'll kick Gabes ass if he lowers it and gets into argument with doctor trying to examine the arm. He sends Gabe out with a "motherfucker" and tells doctor to back off as they stood there bickering. Franklin comes out and pours it on and starts to maul inside early 7th then lays inside as the arm might as well have been useless driftwood. He locks Gabe's right arm and turns into it like seeing a knee bend in backwards! A bad as you will see. Ruelas sagging, turns his back in excruciating pain looking at the arm like it was a separated limb. It was an interesting and sudden shift in a fight, the arm wrench was never even mentioned in a bad way and Jim Lampley basically says "he's a gonna do what he has to do to secure a win".
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If you break your own arm, it's your fault and it results in a ko. If your opponent throws, grabs, or does something illegally to cause you to break your arm, depending on what happens, it may result in a DQ win or a No-Contest at best.
See Tyson/Norris for a no-contest that ended up with Norris turning his knee and was unable to continue and See Hopkins/Dawson for another- Hopkins fell/thrown on his shoulder and unable to continue. The fights were ruled no-contests.
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ykdadamaja
If you break your own arm, it's your fault and it results in a ko. If your opponent throws, grabs, or does something illegally to cause you to break your arm, depending on what happens, it may result in a DQ win or a No-Contest at best.
See Tyson/Norris for a no-contest that ended up with Norris turning his knee and was unable to continue and See Hopkins/Dawson for another- Hopkins fell/thrown on his shoulder and unable to continue. The fights were ruled no-contests.
The crazy thing is the exact same thing happened to Norris earlier in career and was ruled a tko and wasn't result of a punch like Tyson. I don't think there is a definitive rule and seems very much random. I mean the record book says Pat Lawlor knocked out Roberto Duran but it was a combination of a shoulder separation and a hook right on it to help it out ;D. I remember Takumbo Olajide being dropped by Mendoza and twisting his ankle resulting in tko, same as Tyson from a punch. Seems like a real shat way to lose yeh.
