The case for Brook

OK I'm not a mental, I dont think Brook is actually going to win, just gauging peoples thoughts on where he might be able to have some success.

I'll kick off. He'll be at full strength, he was killing himself to make welter. His jab is for me one of the best in the business, even as a weakened welter, it's got the power of a back hand. GGG always has a mini slump in fights that go on for a bit, if Brook can get to say 6 or 7 and his head is still attached to his shoulders he 'could' capitalise on that lull.

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Brook is a special boxer


he is a master of the slight faints and moves to avoid punches and then be in a set position to land his own


if he can keep concentration and, like you say, survive a few big shots then later in the fight he could find the right rhythm


I think GGG will go down at some point in the fight

Slim and none....

GGG has fought bigger, better and stronger fighters than Kell, so what can he offer in reality to worry GGG?

Why is it a given he's been a "weakened" welter? He's never fought above that weight as a pro and always looked very strong, so it's hearsay. I think you could just as easily argue that his size and strength have always been an advantage. His two biggest tests by far have come against guys that were also big and strong at the weight, having both fought at 154 prior.

I give him virtually no chance, but his jab and the fact that he's technically the most sound boxer GGG will have fought COULD make it interesting for a while.

I think his jab is key too. Golovkin will jump on him so if Brook's excellent jab can half-persuade him he can get into the fight. He'll be faster and I believe he'll have enhanced power too. When he fought Carson Jones the second time - at 150+ catchweight - he smashed him to bits from round one looking like a tank.

((I just hope he gets out the first round))

I don't think we've even seen Golovkin get out of first gear yet, he's been dying for someone to stand and fight him which is why he drops his hands in fights and allows himself to be hit.
Does he really have low points in fights or does he give the other guy a chance to create some "Drama"..?
Brooks gonna take a vicious beating while this lasts, every single advantage is with Golovkin (including the jab) Brook may be faster but that remains to be seen, Brooks power at Middleweight is purely "Gym Talk" as it stands now and completely unproven in a professional fight.
Brook is a big Welterweight not a Big Middleweight and will still be the naturally smaller fighter on the night.
Really don't see any way on earth that Brook will even put a dent in Golovkin, he can't hit and run because GGG is a master at making the ring the size of a phone box. Before long he's in a tear up and there's only one winner.
Golovkin has a rock solid chin and wrecking balls in each glove either to the body or the head and will have Brook a bloody mess within a few rounds.
This will end exactly the same as Canelo v Khan.
Look at Brooks last 3 opponents and ask yourself is that helpful preparation for a fight against the best and hardest hitting fighter on the Planet and fighting him jumping up 2 weight divisions which you've never done before?

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Why is it a given he's been a "weakened" welter? He's never fought above that weight as a pro and always looked very strong, so it's hearsay.

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How does that make it hearsay? It's from the horses mouth so anything but.

If you mean its unproven in the ring as Smash suggested then yeah I see your point. Brook and his team will know through the duration of a camp when he tops out in terms of speed and power. Also as Fenster mentioned, Brook at 147 against Jones and Brook at 152 against the same bloke was like chalk and cheese. What little evidence there is suggests that Brook north of 147 is a much stronger fighter.

I'm looking forward to this fight. How often do we moan about fighters dodging the big challenges, fighting easy opponents and cannon fodder? Nobody big would fight Brooke at welter so he has shown the balls to take on a massive challenge against the most feared fighter in the sport .... AND jump divisions to do it! Fair play, Kell.

Brooke has only been pushed once, he is a very big welter, we know he has a good chin and stamina. Excellent technique, economy of movement, heavy puncher and strength, at welter anyway. He also has that Wincobank unorthodoxy which I think will confuse GGG for a while, plus home advantage. He also does not know what it's like to lose.

Golovkin is definitely not a big middleweight, he hasn't really fought anyone at elite level yet and he has not found himself in deep water once in his pro career. He is also in a 'no win' situation in fighting a blown up welter, away from the US, who thinks he can win.

That's the case for Brooke. :D

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Originally Posted by Memphis

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Originally Posted by p4pking

Why is it a given he's been a "weakened" welter? He's never fought above that weight as a pro and always looked very strong, so it's hearsay.

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How does that make it hearsay? It's from the horses mouth so anything but.

If you mean its unproven in the ring as Smash suggested then yeah I see your point. Brook and his team will know through the duration of a camp when he tops out in terms of speed and power. Also as Fenster mentioned, Brook at 147 against Jones and Brook at 152 against the same bloke was like chalk and cheese. What little evidence there is suggests that Brook north of 147 is a much stronger fighter.

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Fair enough, but every fighter says that and to be honest I didn't realize the Jones rematch was at a higher weight. At the the same time, that was a journeyman he should have dealt with the first time and who had been stopped by Alfonso Gomez beforehand, nothing to suggest the rematch wouldn't have gone the same way at any weight. I have no idea if Brook would have a good chance against top guys at 154 for instance, nobody does.

I can see a two round demolition of Brook here

either that or we find out he is a lot better than he's yet proved :rolleyes:

Fair play to him though taking it - not many would (in fact hardly fucking any !)

ive got a case for brook


GGG looks awesome yes? unbeatable KO specialist


the perfect fighter to watch and to be a supporter of, no one can take his punches, he lands he knocks you out, can take what ever comes back


yes there have been other "unbeatable" fighters, of recent times Mayweather, Rigo, but they have been spoilers, runners, artists


not the monster that GGG is, most marketable fighter in history


but do fighters like that really exist? mike Tyson unbeatable he hit you you went, nigel benn, Julian Jackson, marvin haggler had that aura


is GGG the exception?

Brook seems level headed enough to know his limits, and he'll know he's testing them with this fight.

Brook should be looking to last the distance and frustrate GGG with speed and movement. If he has success at that for the first couple of rounds he's going to have to kick it into another gear and dig deep to really impose his will on GGG, but that is dangerous in that GGG's power will remain from round 1 to 12 and Brook will have to know that 1 single mistake could cost him.


Brook is going to have to fight the perfect fight in order to win, GGG is going to have to just do what he usually does.

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Originally Posted by Mark TKO

I can see a two round demolition of Brook here

either that or we find out he is a lot better than he's yet proved :rolleyes:

Fair play to him though taking it - not many would (in fact hardly fucking any !)

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For the money he will be getting Spence, Thurman, Garcia, Bradley et al would jump at the chance to take the suicide fight.

It's a good white man Vs Black Man fight.

GGG’s best win is Lemieux, a guy who lost to fvcking Joachim Alcine, the same Alcine who was KTFO in ONE ROUND by Angulo, Macklin, Charlo, and about 20 other guys. Yup, Lemieux was out-boxed and lost a 12 round fight to this Alcine guy, I kid you not.

After that loss Lemieux has beaten no one important other than a shot Rosado and Hassam, both of whom are C+ fighters if we’re generous. I have no idea why people claimed Lemieux was a “KO artist”. The guy has KO’ed no one but some bums in Montreal, Canada.

GGG 2nd best win is Stevens, a guy who was KTFO by Primera, had a bad chin, and had 3 losses before GGG fought him. Stevens himself has knocked out absolutely no one of any importance.

GGG’s third best win is Daniel Geale, the same Geale that an old Cotto stopped just as fast. Geale couldn’t even TOUCH old Cotto.

I've said it once and I'll say it again. GGG does not hit hard. Has GGG ever ten counted anyone ?

Mike Tyson used to knock them out for the county of 30

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The talent level at 160 is at a historic low today, that is a fact

Brook has never been out-boxed or come close to losing. Brook beat Shawn Porter who is leagues above Lemieux. Most importantly, Brook has never shown us the upper limits of his ability.

To the GGG fans out there, I would be really nervous for this fight if I were you. For the first time, GGG is fighting a world-class, unbroken opponent.

The GGG Myth will be shattered soon.

Firstly, Martin Murray doesn't figure in his top wins then?
Secondly , if "For the first time, GGG is fighting a world-class, unbroken opponent." , I take it that if GGG wins, you'll give him some respect then ?
Don't get me wrong , I would love to see Brook win, just not sure it will happen.