These Panto match ups have to stop!
It's about time the governing bodies fucking grew a pair. How can you sanction meaningless bullshit fights like Canelo v Khan, Brook v GGG and Bellew v Haye? These fights are made for money and money only. They do absolutely fuck all for the sport.
And what is even more disturbing is that fans are accepting it . Basically anyone who paid for tonight is a mug, and anyone who paid for tonight and is happy with what they got is watching the wrong sport. It's getting more like Wrestling every fucking day.
With the exception of old Ginge and his cross dressing promoter , it's the Brits who are guilty of these joke fights. To be be fair to the Yanks, you've got a genuine 50/50 unification fight tonight between Garcia and Thurman, and it doesn't get half the exposure because they haven't thrown tables at each other!
You have to seriously ask yourself, are you interested in Boxing as a sport, or more interested in the hype that surrounds it?
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Primo Carnera
It's about time the governing bodies fucking grew a pair. How can you sanction meaningless bullshit fights like Canelo v Khan, Brook v GGG and Bellew v Haye? These fights are made for money and money only. They do absolutely fuck all for the sport.
And what is even more disturbing is that fans are accepting it . Basically anyone who paid for tonight is a mug, and anyone who paid for tonight and is happy with what they got is watching the wrong sport. It's getting more like Wrestling every fucking day.
With the exception of old Ginge and his cross dressing promoter , it's the Brits who are guilty of these joke fights. To be be fair to the Yanks, you've got a genuine 50/50 unification fight tonight between Garcia and Thurman, and it doesn't get half the exposure because they haven't thrown tables at each other!
You have to seriously ask yourself, are you interested in Boxing as a sport, or more interested in the hype that surrounds it?
Only problem is that the result of tonight's match up will be seen as a reason for the mismatches to continue, if Bellew would have been brutally KO'd in the first then maybe people would have said 'I'm getting a wee bit tired of this' but now that Bellew has won it'll always be referred back to as a victory for the little guy and used as a justification for the mismatches.
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Big matches are hyped up but these are simply manufactured mis matches and will not stop because people buy them in bucketloads
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It is called prize fighting for a reason. From the very bottom rungs of the sport to the top there has always been and always will be mismatches, bad decisions, robberies and pantomine fights. Thinking otherwise actually demonstrates a lack of insight into how boxing works. At the lower levels in amateur contests it is sometimes hard to match make with a limited pool of fighters willing to come and risk their records at your club/region/association and so mismatches often happen where someone in a different league blows away their opponent and robberies where the house fighter is given the decision over the traveling fighter, either because of ineptitude, random interpretation or outright favoritism happen regularly.Sanctioning bodies do not co-operate from different countries and your dumb idea that it is the Brits who are guilty of these charades and not the Americans based on one night of boxing smacks of self depreciation or loathing in an effort to appear fair. Seriously huge over compensation.Despite how Boxing operates the British Domestic scene at the upper end of the amateurs and pros is and always has been ultra competitive. Iaminuit (God rest his blessed soul) often used to comment on it, and he was not alone in tuning in from abroad to watch UK cards stacked with genuine 50/50 fights. There are numerous protected American prospects who have fought anyone including the local dustman to avoid a meaningful challenge and plenty of Pantomine fights where 'world champions' have yet to fight outside of their comfort zone.Not every fight can be a decider to see who the best in a weight division might be, or two thin out and exclude the best from a pool of excellence. It is an inexact blend of science, art, sport, will power. show business, sheer bloody mindedness and inspiration that allows us all the privilege to witness the entire gamut from one extreme to the other. It is not just another sport and any move to sanitize and codify it in a manner that will neuter or censor it should be vehemently opposed. It is one of the least sanitized and most organic spectacles one can witness and whilst I have not see tonight's latest debacle I can not imagine it to be any worse than many that have gone before or may happen after.It's madness. You can't logically defend it in anyway and that is why we love it. Spectator, supporter, participant , trainer, manager, promoter etc all realise this at a very deep and innate level and so it will go on...despite everything. And thank God for that
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Primo Carnera
It's about time the governing bodies fucking grew a pair. How can you sanction meaningless bullshit fights like Canelo v Khan, Brook v GGG and Bellew v Haye? These fights are made for money and money only. They do absolutely fuck all for the sport.
And what is even more disturbing is that fans are accepting it . Basically anyone who paid for tonight is a mug, and anyone who paid for tonight and is happy with what they got is watching the wrong sport. It's getting more like Wrestling every fucking day.
With the exception of old Ginge and his cross dressing promoter , it's the Brits who are guilty of these joke fights. To be be fair to the Yanks, you've got a genuine 50/50 unification fight tonight between Garcia and Thurman, and it doesn't get half the exposure because they haven't thrown tables at each other!
You have to seriously ask yourself, are you interested in Boxing as a sport, or more interested in the hype that surrounds it?
Have you heard yourself? ;D
We got an interesting and eventful fight, which had more than enough drama. I think anorak boxing fans don't like admitting enjoying these kind of match ups because it makes them look like a casual. The hype around the fight has been fun. So what if the overall importance of it is completely manufactured.
I agree on the GGG - Brook and Canelo - Khan side of the argument because the size and ability advantage was far too heavily in the favour of the obvious winner, but tonight's fight had a sense of intrigue, and at around the 6 round mark was taking shape. Having said that, i'd imagine folk still enjoyed the GGG - Brook match up more than they've enjoyed him fighting punching bags. That's where your anger should lie....in supposedly world class fighters repeatedly avoiding challenges. I understand there's a link and the fighters get away with it because of the fans willingness to part with their cash, but tonight wasn't about that at all. Haye (who let's not forget has hardly been a career Heavyweight) was fighting a current Crusierweight World Champion after a period of severe inactivity. Bellew was fighting a former undisputed Crusierweight Champion and a former Heavyweight champion supposedly on the comeback trail. The match up was fine on paper (not 50-50, but no more one sided than 95% of all match ups) and it was better than expected in the ring.
In closing, Garcia and Thurman would have ridiculous hype if they were both English and weren't fighting in the middle of the fucking night. Nothing to do table throwing. Chisora threw a table at Klitschko and i don't remember anyone giving a fuck about that fight.
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Good post Beanz but I think it is the fact that the biggest UK fights over the last 12 months or so have been Khan and ginger pubes, Brook and GGG and Bellew v haye.
They are not just mismatches they are people moving up 2 weights in some cases.
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Master
Big matches are hyped up but these are simply manufactured mis matches and will not stop because people buy them in bucketloads
A mismatch which the underdog won in the 11th round?
The fight was easily close enough before the injury. Acting like the fight was Pac -Algieri mark 2 ;D
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I agree, Primo. I refused to even find a way to watch the Haye fight for free as it's wrong to endorse mismatches and despite the result, I still think it was a mismatch. Apparently Haye was winning, got injured and Bellew took advantage. Sounds more of a circus than anything. The thing is if you criticize it and call people mugs for buying into it, then you get called a cunt and not a boxing fan by those who seem to enjoy 20 predictable circus events just to occasionally have the penguin peck on the lame tiger. You are right, GGG/Brook and Khan/Canelo were exactly the same and 4 of the 6 fighters were Brits, suggesting that they do like to be mugged. It isn't good for the sport and there are far better fights like the next one we have coming up today.
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Batman
Good post Beanz but I think it is the fact that the biggest UK fights over the last 12 months or so have been Khan and ginger pubes, Brook and GGG and Bellew v haye.
They are not just mismatches they are people moving up 2 weights in some cases.
Maybe, just maybe, if the boxing world didn't react so hysterically to a defeat, the best would fight the best more often. ;D
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;D;D Basically what Ono said. He speaks for every person I know. Normal people you know ;)
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ryanman
;D;D Basically what Ono said. He speaks for every person I know. Normal people you know ;)
Thank you. Everyone's acting like we've paid £50 quid to watch Shannon Briggs fight Roy Jones Jr.
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ono
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ryanman
;D;D Basically what Ono said. He speaks for every person I know. Normal people you know ;)
Thank you. Everyone's acting like we've paid £50 quid to watch Shannon Briggs fight Roy Jones Jr.
It's a farce we all take part in. Djok, Nadal, Murray, Fed all lose every other other week.
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well on paper cruiserweight champion moving up to fight a former cruiserweight champ at heavyweight isn't that bad, I don't see why a governing body would not allow this :S..
