Catalan referendum for independence

Soooo apparently Catalonia is amping up it's call for independence from Spain much to the dismay of Spain who look like they are trying to quash this movement.


What do you lot think of an independent nation-state of Catalonia? How do you suppose they should go about seceding from Spain and do you believe that perhaps a place like Quebec would be next to call for independence?


Here's some of the violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kESpxWLk-8


Some say as much as 90% of those voting are voting for independence and the Spanish government has shut down the polls violently as you can see int he video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaQ4_v0fz6k

It is strange that EU and Teresa May are silent on this issue.

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Originally Posted by Master

It is strange that EU and Teresa May are silent on this issue.

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I wouldn't expect May to want to speak about it. I believe the EU probably got into the ear of Prime Minister Rajoy and the People's Party being an offshoot of Franco's People's Alliance the natural action is to have an authoritarian crackdown on the people wanting to secede.


I wonder if the Basque country will also try to gain their independence from Spain and France....I think Quebec will be more peaceful if they decide on another referendum, but we will see.

Catalan and Scotland... always fucking crying :biglaugh:

Spanish government are stupid, they should let them have the referendum and not get police to beat them up. Ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Master

Spanish government are stupid, they should let them have the referendum and not get police to beat them up. Ridiculous.

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Extremely bad optics

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

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Originally Posted by Master

Spanish government are stupid, they should let them have the referendum and not get police to beat them up. Ridiculous.

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Extremely bad optics

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Bad actions and alienating the whole community.

I support their push for independence. I always do in situations like this. Smaller concentrations of power with people in closer connection to their elected elites. It is the only way for democracy to truly emerge.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

I support their push for independence. I always do in situations like this. Smaller concentrations of power with people in closer connection to their elected elites. It is the only way for democracy to truly emerge.

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Odd for someone so fond of Kim Jong Un

It is genuinely hilarious.....

'The Catalan referendum is illegal and is against democracy'

...... said by the King !!

The thing about the Catalan nationalist sentiment is that it's the result of almost 40 years of intense indoctrination in schools and media.

The autonomous communities in Spain actually function like mini-states themselves (their own schooling system —with the Spanish language occupying a very minor role in Catalonia—, their own healthcare setup, etc.). And all this charade makes them look like victims of an opressive state like when Franco was around. ffs!

To a large extent this is merely staged victimhood to catch the international eye. They know they'll be compensated with more competencies transfered to their local government ($$$$) just like it always is.

(And all this leaving aside the fact that the Spanish authorities decided to deal with the whole thing in such a crude way. And the monarchy being such an anachronistic institution not unlike a Father Christmas-like figure for grownups).

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Originally Posted by goti71

The thing about the Catalan nationalist sentiment is that it's the result of almost 40 years of intense indoctrination in schools and media.

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Hmm, interesting take.

I have never shown a fondness for Kim Jeong Eun. Bad posting Lyle.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

I have never shown a fondness for Kim Jeong Eun. Bad posting Lyle.

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Just more fake news from Lyle.