Footballers Wages!!

I was having a huge argument with me mates last night about Footballers Wages, they were going on about the £700,000 Rooney betting scandal, they were basically saying that is takes the piss that hard earned fans have to folk out loads of $$$$ to watch these guys play for there club and then they go out and blow £700,000 like it was nothing.

My argument was:

The game is so popular now thats why the money is there, also if these players didnt get these wages where would the money go to some fucking suit in the boardroom?? The money is coming from TV, Football has turned into a more business driven game, but i think if the money is there we should pay the best players what we can afford and what they deserve in the grand scheme of things, if Rooney decides to blow £700,000 thats up to him, i am a Utd fan and since he has been at United he has made probably millions of fans happy world wide with his preformances for our club, so he is defintly worth the money he is paid and like i say id prefer him to pocket the profits rather than the suits or nowadays the most ugliest family i have ever seen the GLAZIERS!!

What do you guys think??

but then again alot of the time you can pay alot for to go to a game get a shit performance from ur team and they get there 50 grand still
being a villa fan i know alot about tht lol but i think ticket prices along with prices of food in the ground (6 quid for a burger FUCK OFF) and the players should be paid less but thts impossible now this had to be done when the wages started rising not now with the stupid amounts they are being paid

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Originally Posted by hitmanhatton

but then again alot of the time you can pay alot for to go to a game get a S*** performance from ur team and they get there 50 grand still
being a villa fan i know alot about tht lol but i think ticket prices along with prices of food in the ground (6 quid for a burger F*** OFF) and the players should be paid less but thts impossible now this had to be done when the wages started rising not now with the stupid amounts they are being paid

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Me mates were saying the same sort of thing, i guess it is harder to see players getting £50k a week and preforming the way Villa are, but with the TV Money now the money is there so i dont know where else to invest it which would have benefits for your team.

My team have just increased season ticket prices 12% that pisses me off but that is so the ginger ninjas can pay there fucking loan off!!

Most pro sportsman are over paid and pre-madaonas, while docters and scientists and others of the type get paid nothing compared to them.

If players weren't payed so much then you wouldn't have to fork out so much for a ticket... the prices are ludicrous.... not that the money will ever be aloud to go out of the game... to many people have to much to loose...

I wouldn't mind but when you watch the players they don't fucking work like they're getting payed that much money... ::**

i train harder 4 nights a week then they play if u was gettin paid tht much ud try hard every week but i spose they get used to it and take the easy option spose u cnt blame them

These are pretty uptodate figures :o


The average basic salary of a footballer in the English Premiership is £676,000 a year, or £13,000 per week, according to an exclusive survey of professional players by The Independent. That figure typically rises by between 60 and 100 per cent when performance-related bonuses, including for actually playing, are added.

The basic pay represents an average rise in earnings of 65 per cent since 2000, the last occasion that a large-scale study was done. The average then was £409,000 a year, or almost £8,000 a week.

The average basic annual Championship salary is now £195,750, up from £128,000 six years ago, or an increase of 53 per cent. The average in League One is now £67,850 (up from £54,600, or a rise of 24 per cent), and in League Two £49,600 (up from £38,800, up 28 per cent).

The number of Premiership players with basic pay of more than £1m per year has risen to around 150, or 29.5 per cent of top-flight players over the age of 20. The single highest-earning age group is 28-year-olds, with a basic average of £1.16m a year, or £22,300 per week. The highest-earning age bracket is 27 to 28-year-olds, with an average of £899,500 per year.

Premiership footballers are often caricatured as a playboy set who demand massive wages in return for a few hours work each day. One of the survey's findings confounds the stereotype, with almost 60 per cent of all players in favour of a salary cap - or in other words, limiting the total amount any club spends on its total wage bill. The survey found that the more a player earns, the more likely he is to support a salary cap.

The players were asked the specific question: "Bearing in mind the financial problems that have affected many clubs in the past few years, would you support a rule that says that not more than 75 per cent of a club's income should be spent on its total wage bill?". Across all divisions, 58 per cent were supportive, rising to 64 per cent in the Premiership. The figure was 54 per cent in the Championship, 59 per cent in League One and 56 per cent in League Two.

The survey, done in conjunction with the players' union, the PFA, is only the second time that salaries have ever been confirmed by the players themselves. The first time was six years ago, also in response to an Independent-PFA questionnaire, seeking views on a wide range of issues from the country's professionals. A representative sample of nearly 400 players, from across all four professional divisions, have responded to the current survey on a confidential basis.

Wage data from the survey in 2000 has since been used to assist numerous players who have had their careers cut short by injury in settlement claims. The current survey shows wide disparities in earnings, dependent on age and playing position.

The average basic annual income for a 17-18 year-olds in the Premiership is £24,500 a year (£470 a week), rising to £95,000 a year for 19-20 year-olds, and £390,000 a year for 21-22 year-olds. This rises to a peak of £899,500 for 27-28 year-olds, and then falls, though not substantially, as players move into their 30s.

The 27-28 year-old age group is also the best paid in the Championship (£261,850 a year on average), although in the lower divisions, the biggest earners are slightly older. The highest earning age bracket in League One is 31-32 year-olds, on £87,000 a year, and in League Two it is the same age bracket, on £52,000 a year. This is a probably a reflection that experience counts for more in the lower divisions.

A player's position affects how much he earns, and it is no surprise that strikers come out on top. In the Premiership, the average basic salary for a striker is £806,000 a year, against £754,000 for a midfielder, £653,000 for a defender and £533,000 for a goalkeeper.

In the Championship, strikers also earn the most, on an average of £292,900, with midfielders next, followed by goalkeepers marginally ahead of defenders.

The contentious issue of salary capping seems likely to rise up the sporting and political agenda in the near future, with sports minister Richard Caborn among those who would like to see some form of capping.

As the head of the European Sports Ministers, he has undertaken a consultation process with 40 different bodies across Europe - including the Premier League, the FA and the G14 group - to assess changes that might be made to the way football is run. A report will be submitted to Uefa to consider various new rules and regulations, including on salary capping.
The PFA has traditionally resisted any such moves, with its chief executive, Gordon Taylor arguing that players face relatively short careers, and that they generate the money in the game from which their wages come. He also argues that of 600 16-year-olds who enter the game each year, 500 will have left the game by 21, and that 75 players a year have their careers suddenly curtailed by injury.

The players' own views, which are supportive of a cap in principle, will inevitably be noted by Caborn's review body. In fact a 75 per cent cap would not necessarily lead to many, if any, players being forced to take cuts in pay. A wages to turnover ratio of between 50 and 60 per cent is widely seen as a prudent level at which to operate, and an increasing number of clubs have amended their pay scales in recent years as a result of financial hardship.

League One and League Two already operate a salary cap, albeit on a voluntary basis, and the Football League insists that most clubs are happy to do so. That might be one reason why lower-league salaries have increased by less than 30 per cent in the past six years, while they have risen by much more in the top two divisions.

What The Independent's survey revealed

AVERAGE BASIC WAGE

Premiership £676,000

Championship £195,750

League One £67,850

League Two £49,600

AVERAGE BASIC WAGE BY AGE GROUP

Premiership

Age 17-18 £24,500

Age 19-20 £95,000

Age 21-22 £390,000

Age 23-24 £582,500

Age 25-26 £653,000

Age 27-28 £899,500

Age 29-30 £806,000

Age 31-32 £586,000

Age 33+ £660,500

Average* £676,000

Championship

Age 17-18 £22,500

Age 19-20 £43,700

Age 21-22 £79,000

Age 23-24 £79,200

Age 25-26 £136,000

Age 27-28 £261,850

Age 29-30 £247,000

Age 31-32 £247,000

Age 33+ £195,700

Average* £195,750

League One

Age 17-18 **

Age 19-20 £18,950

Age 21-22 £52,000

Age 23-24 £61,650

Age 25-26 £67,600

Age 27-28 £71,750

Age 29-30 £69,300

Age 31-32 £87,000

Age 33+ £72,000

Average* £67,850

League Two

Age 17-18 **

Age 19-20 £16,000

Age 21-22 £32,350

Age 23-24 £43,650

Age 25-26 £46,300

Age 27-28 £47,300

Age 29-30 £50,500

Age 31-32 £52,000

Age 33+ £45,800

Average* £49,600

*all players aged above 20. **insufficient sample pool for meaningful average.

AVERAGE BASIC WAGE BY PLAYING POSITION

Prem Championship League 1 League 2
Goalkeeper £533,000 £179,500 £53,500 £45,900
Defender £653,000 £167,000 £61,000 £44,400
Midfielder £754,000 £185,950 £79,000 £46,800
Forward £806,000 £292,900 £75,000 £67,900
Overall £676,000 £195,750

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Originally Posted by hitmanhatton

i train harder 4 nights a week then they play if u was gettin paid tht much ud try hard every week but i spose they get used to it and take the easy option spose u cnt blame them

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Thats the way I look at it... I train harder than 90% of footballers do for my sport which I don't get payed for... these fuckers reach premier ship level and think they don't have to work any more...

You ever watched Newcastle United play? they have more fans putting money into the club than any one else and they constantly fail to deliver... even when I was into football I was never a Newcastle United fan...

but alot of ppl rekon there is nuthin else to do up there lol apart from go watch football

You've never been to Newcastle then :P

Unrealistic wages, which are basically unsustainable when they take 50%+ of a club's revenue, heat up the player transfer market falsely, allow mediocre players to command elite salaries, allow players to become much too distant from their fan base, and make true fans fork over their hard won cash to non-hard working players and many assorted hangers-on.

They should all have to play football for a handful of gravel a week, and be locked in small broom cupboards when they are not actually on the pitch.

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Originally Posted by X

Unrealistic wages, which are basically unsustainable when they take 50%+ of a club's revenue, heat up the player transfer market falsely, allow mediocre players to command elite salaries, allow players to become much too distant from their fan base, and make true fans fork over their hard won cash to non-hard working players and many assorted hangers-on.

They should all have to play football for a handful of gravel a week, and be locked in small broom cupboards when they are not actually on the pitch.

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i do believe they were probably glen hoddles management style