Just watched Jones vs. Pazienza

Great fight, but anyways when I watch a fight that I haven't seen in a long time so I don't remember every punch thrown I try to react to the boxers punches in my head from when they throw it. Mayweather and Zab and all those guys I can almost always react in my head before they would be able to land on me(if I was smaller and able to move liek a 130-140 pound person that is). When I watched this fight with Jones though, and he jabs, his jab is always faster than I can react, and there is nobody else I've ever watched that can do that. I truly believe he had faster hands at SMW than Floyd or Mosley had at lightweight. Seriously watch the fight he is so fast its scary that he's so much larger than the little guys. The only way Mosley is faster than Roy is in combinations, but he has skinnier shoulders and the like so he could rotate faster, but wow now I see why Zab could almost match Floyd's speed. Yet Reggie Johnson was sooo much slower than Roy.

Jones was a featherweight in 1985, but his Daddy put a needle in his ass because he fought at 156 in 1986.

So what I'm saying is, Jones has a small bone structure and was NOT a natural middleweight!

now I see why Zab could almost match Floyd's speed.

;D

Can tell the Floyd fans "almost" ;D,

What Zab wasn't as fast it was easy to see..., and Floyd was alot slower at welterweight than he was at lightweight or superfeather weight. I never saw Zab leading with left crosses for the whole fight. Once Floyd relaxed he was dodging almost everything Zab threw, and was hitting Judah with almost everything he threw.

An obvious PBF supporter such as myself..it was clear as day that Judah appeared to have the faster hands....but then he got hit with some straight rights by floyd...he didn't hit floyd with a straight left all night...but in the end i thought their speed was equal...

he was dodging almost everything Zab threw,

again with the "almost" ;D

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Originally Posted by WWatt

Jones was a featherweight in 1985, but his Daddy put a needle in his a** because he fought at 156 in 1986.

So what I'm saying is, Jones has a small bone structure and was NOT a natural middleweight!

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I agree he took a needle to get up to heavyweight... maybe, but definitely disagree about earlier. THere is a thing called puberty, and that makes people grow alot. Guys don't start to fill out tilla bout 17, and Roy was already having to lose weight to fight at 139, and he had like no muscle mass on him whatsoever. By the Olympics he went up to walk around weight, and put a little time in the gym. Then at pros he started at 154, and by he was already starting to fill out, and grow muscles. I have friends who are black then they were skinny as fuck growing up, but as soon as they hit 17-18 they just bulked out because of the testosterone. I'm not being racist its just more normal to see this in african americans than it is in white people who are bigger as childern, and generally stay skinny or are naturally bigger. That being said even for a featherweight he would amazingly quick seeing as Floyd is faster than any featherweight out there.

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Originally Posted by ross

he was dodging almost everything Zab threw,

again with the "almost" ;D

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Closer to the middle he was... At first he never fought anyone with Zab's speed since the amateurs... How much of his stuff did Zab dodge after the 4th round?

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Great fight, but anyways when I watch a fight that I haven't seen in a long time so I don't remember every punch thrown I try to react to the boxers punches in my head from when they throw it. Mayweather and Zab and all those guys I can almost always react in my head before they would be able to land on me(if I was smaller and able to move liek a 130-140 pound person that is). When I watched this fight with Jones though, and he jabs, his jab is always faster than I can react, and there is nobody else I've ever watched that can do that. I truly believe he had faster hands at SMW than Floyd or Mosley had at lightweight. Seriously watch the fight he is so fast its scary that he's so much larger than the little guys. The only way Mosley is faster than Roy is in combinations, but he has skinnier shoulders and the like so he could rotate faster, but wow now I see why Zab could almost match Floyd's speed. Yet Reggie Johnson was sooo much slower than Roy.

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yeah, Roy was not only P4P faster than Floyd.....He was faster than Floyd even as a SMW

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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

An obvious PBF supporter such as myself..it was clear as day that Judah appeared to have the faster hands....but then he got hit with some straight rights by floyd...he didn't hit floyd with a straight left all night...but in the end i thought their speed was equal...

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There are three things that make punches seem faster sometimes when their not. 1. Zab had 4 inch shoter arms which makes the punch seem like it moving faster when that not neccesarily the case. 2. Zab throws out the jab as finder while Floyd actually tries to do damage, and throws a technically proper jab. 3. Zab almost always throw his cross after a jab which gives him more "Swing" momentum with his hips allowing his cross to be faster than just throwing it on its own.

I cant really stand either of them but what I saw was floyd was apprehensive to do much because Zab was quicker and obviously he was feeling the shots, then Zabs activity dropped and allowed Floyd to work.

Hatton will walk through Floyd, Mayweather doesnt hit hard enough as Zabs chin proved

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Originally Posted by ross

I cant really stand either of them but what I saw was floyd was apprehensive to do much because Zab was quicker and obviously he was feeling the shots, then Zabs activity dropped and allowed Floyd to work.

Hatton will walk through Floyd, Mayweather doesnt hit hard enough as Zabs chin proved

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You obviously didn't see the fight..after the second round...floyd goes to the corner..and his uncle tells him that judah doesn't want to fight....after that PBF came foward all night...and the gameplan early on was to allow judah to start fast as he always does..then beat him up...and ZAB didn't get gassed it was floyd's punches that caused judah's activity to drop as you say...which is inaccurate because actually Judah threw more punches than floyd...

Oh dear another one, maybe this site should have the patheticly named
"pretty boy floyd express" That rules on the maxboxing boards

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Originally Posted by ross

I cant really stand either of them but what I saw was floyd was apprehensive to do much because Zab was quicker and obviously he was feeling the shots, then Zabs activity dropped and allowed Floyd to work.

Hatton will walk through Floyd, Mayweather doesnt hit hard enough as Zabs chin proved

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Floyd was faster despite what you say... Mayweather explained why he was apprehensive during the first few rounds. He was scouting out his opponent. Also Hatton will be eaten alive by Floyd's speed.

y are u guys so one side in your views. in that fight zab had a clear advantage in speed


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gww67...eather%20judah

watch this clip and just watch zabs skill and speed